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sbukosky
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cache of the month is good. How about a Cache of the year?

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GrouseTales
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2002 7:51 am Reply with quote Back to top

That's a great idea Steve.

Could a person vote for any cache, or would they be limited to winners of "cache of the month"?

I would think the choices should come from the pool of monthy winners.
 
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Cache Rats
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2002 1:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think that the "Cache of the Year" is a great idea. The cache should be judged from the best of the month pool.
 
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sbukosky
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 7:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm thinking that when the year is put in review, some most memorable caches might be ones that didn't make cache of the month or even nomination. Some of the cache of the month winners might not have been hunted by many of those that would come here and vote. I've got a fair amount of Wisconsin finds in but some of the winners I've never been to. Others with less finds would likely have visited even less. Plus, we've picked up a lot of new participants during the year. What do you think?

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MR Andersen
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 11:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think it should be open to any caches for the same reasons steve said above. I have not hunted all of the cache of the month caches to judge only those caches.
 
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kbraband
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 11:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

If we create such an award, I think Cache of the Year honors should be limited to Cache of the Month winners. (And I'm not saying this because one of my caches won Cache of the Month.) Otherwise there's no real difference between it and Cache of the Month. If all caches are eligible, it would simply be an additional "most favoritest cache" poll that just happens to occur at the end of the year.

Those who say they did not hunt most of the caches of the month raise a good point. However, there aren't many people who HAVE hunted all or even most of the Caches of the Month. I too did not hunt most of the caches of the month, but I enjoyed reading about them. Of course, I only voted for caches that I had found. Applying that same qualification to cache of the year, we should each vote only for a cache that we had found. And that makes sense, because if a cache is named Cache of the Year it should be one that a significant number of people have found AND enjoyed enough to vote for it.

If we limit voting to the monthly winners, it will create a "buzz" about those caches that will encourage more people to hunt for them because they will want to be eligible to vote for their favorite when it comes time to vote for Cache of the Year. It's sort of like the Oscars. Once a movie is nominated for best picture, lots of people go to see it.

Unlike Cache of the Month in which there are literally hundreds of caches to vote for each month, the field for Cache of the Year would would be narrowed to only 11 caches to vote for (we didn't have a Cache of the Month for January) so it will take more votes to win. If we were to open up the voting to any cache in the state, it's possible a cache could win with only 2 votes because cachers would once again split their votes among all caches in the state.

My 2 cents.

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Cheesehead Dave
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 7:38 am Reply with quote Back to top

I think it should be open to any cache that won COTM or were nominated, as there are several runners-up that did not win, but were nominated over several months (although there's no way to know if the same people were nominating it).

Devil's advocate: The only problem that I can forsee is that if there are 30+ caches to pick from and only a dozen or so people vote, you could end up with a 12-way tie.
 
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GrouseTales
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 8:12 am Reply with quote Back to top

I think we should limit it to COTM winners for the reasons mentioned above.

In a couple years, we can put together a cache of the Decade. This would be limited to cache of the year winners Image .

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arffer
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 9:59 am Reply with quote Back to top

While I could see opening COTY to include nominees for COTM, it can't be done... sorry. We didn't keep a complete list of those that were nominated each month, only the winners.
 
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kbraband
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:37 am Reply with quote Back to top

Right now it doesn't look like people are all that interested in Cache of the Year voting. As of this writing only 12 votes have been cast for 11 nominated caches. It's a nice idea but it's too bad that the winning cache for the whole year for the entire state may be elected with only 3 votes. Does anyone have ideas on how we could improve the contest?
 
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GrouseTales
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 9:04 am Reply with quote Back to top

I am also amazed there isn't more interest in Cache of the Year.

While it won't develope more interest, I think we should extend the deadline for voting.

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rpaske
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:07 am Reply with quote Back to top

It is difficult to vote for a cache of the year when one has only been to two or three of the nominated caches. I think, in order to make a fair choice, one should have been to more than three caches.
 
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kbraband
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:19 am Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by rpaske:
It is difficult to vote for a cache of the year when one has only been to two or three of the nominated caches. I think, in order to make a fair choice, one should have been to more than three caches.


I agree, Randy. Maybe in 2003 when a cache is named Cache of the Month more of us will be enticed to go check it out because we want to be involved with Cache of the Year designation at the end of the year. Since we did not plan on having a Cache of the Year until a few weeks ago, there was no way people could have anticipated it and made it a point to check out the monthly winners.
 
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Cheesehead Dave
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:21 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by rpaske:
It is difficult to vote for a cache of the year when one has only been to two or three of the nominated caches. I think, in order to make a fair choice, one should have been to more than three caches.


I would certainly be interested in voting for COTY, but since the only one of the twelve that I have been to is my own, which I assume I am not allowed to vote for anyway, I am unable to vote.

While I do think the COTY is a great idea, I agree that a cache winning three votes to one, to one, to one, to one, to one, to one, to one, to one, is not as meaningful as it should be.

Here's a question for the database admin: how many different people are actually voting for COTM from month to month? Is it the same half dozen or so each month, or do the voters change? Given the number of people that turn out at WGA events, one would think that there should be dozens of votes cast on a monthly basis, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Perhaps we need to figure out a way to make more of the Wisconsin cachers aware of and involved with the site.

For example, has anyone thought of putting out some sort of newsletter? It could be put out on a regular basis, perhaps a couple of times a month, and include information such as reminders to vote for COTM, or details of the next WGA event. Also with the data scraping from geocaching.com and Trudy & The Beast staying on top of milestones, that could be a feature as well.

Of course this would be worthless if there are only a half dozen people actually registered on the WGA site, so there also need to be a better way of putting out the word about the WGA than people just stumbling across the site by chance. I know TATB were sending out letters to people that found their caches which may be a bit much, but perhaps people could be send out a quick non-threatening non-form-letter type message saying something like "Thanks for finding my cache! Glad you enjoyed it! By the way, if you're looking for more info on Geocaching in Wisconsin, you might want to head over to http://www.wi-geocaching.com/ for more info!"

Or something like that.

Of perhaps I'm way off base. Anyone have any other ideas?
 
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arffer
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:13 pm Reply with quote Back to top

There are indeed only about a half-dozen to a dozen individuals that cast votes. SOme that used to vote don't appear to be caching anymore, and some recent votes are from new cachers.

As to the newsletter... the web site was supposed to be the newsletter. Articles, announcements etc. I agree it would be nice to have other ways to make Wisconsin cachers aware of WGA. Cache owners that see new folks caching in the area and sending out a short message about WGA is a great idea. Even just shooting new cachers a link to the website should work. If anyone comes up with a short info-note, we could certainly list it on our 'Help Spread the Word' page. Perhaps our resident writter could start the ball rolling?

Regarding the number of cachers registered. No one registers with WGA. If you cache in Wisconsin, you're a member. There is no sign up process. Just jump in and have fun Image

As was suggested, I can certainly extend the COTY vote, but what is the suggestion to do with voting for the January COTM? It needs to start sometime, or there won't be one.

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