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Opossum
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Joined: 2005-05-11
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I suggest the addition of text to the Hiding A Cache page stating that all container markings pertaining to something other than safe container contents be removed. Such examples should include: Medical Kit; Ammunition; Explosives; prescription medication labels, potential hazardous substances such as batteries or other items that contain corrosive materials, chemical listings, etc.

I also suggest approvers ask the hiders if all such markings have been removed, at least for new hiders. An alternative could be to send a reminder to the owner during the approval process.

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kbraband
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Joined: 2002-02-19
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by Opossum:
I suggest the addition of text to the Hiding A Cache page stating that all container markings pertaining to something other than safe container contents be removed. Such examples should include: Medical Kit; Ammunition; Explosives; prescription medication labels, potential hazardous substances such as batteries or other items that contain corrosive materials, chemical listings, etc.

I also suggest approvers ask the hiders if all such markings have been removed, at least for new hiders. An alternative could be to send a reminder to the owner during the approval process.

[This message has been edited by Opossum (edited 07-05-2005).]



Those are certainly good suggestions for anyone hiding a geocache. However, the WGA doesn't want to create new rules. We simply publicize rules established by Groundspeak (geocaching.com) and by various local and state land managers and law enforcement departments.

One exception is when land managers seek help in establishing geocaching policies for the areas they manage. In those cases, we will offer our advice and recommendations on what rules we (the WGA) feels should be implemented by that park or jurisdiction.



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Opossum
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:19 am Reply with quote Back to top

How about adding a "suggestions" section to the web page and/or confirmation e-mails? Other States have text right in their cache hiding pages.

I agree with keeping the number of rules to a minimum. I also feel providing insight to help others avoid the DePere situation and other unfortunate incidents will benefit the geocaching community and prevent the need for more rules.

I suspect many Wisconsin geocachers don't know of the WGA, especially if they're new. Judging from the New Member Forum, new geocachers are pretty excited about every aspect of geocaching. Reading the logs of the DePere geocache, one could infer this cache hider was also pretty excited about hiding a cache. I don't know how it all turned out, but if it were me, I'd have rather received a bit of insight with my hide approval from more experienced geocachers, than a bill for the police and bomb squad's time, and a potential fine on top of that.

I think that we need to police ourselves in some aspect, before someone else does. I think it's a matter of time before someone in government puts the brakes on geocaching. I've seen it happen again and again in other areas:

- One kid got bit by a dog and now you can't take your family and the pet for a walk in a Greenfield park. It's a $300 fine. I got that information from a geocacher who seems to support the decision.

- One kid crossed a railway crossing by driving around the gates, killing themselves and the passengers. The engineer had blown the horn well in advance because it was foggy and he wanted to make sure people knew he was approaching each and every intersection. The father petitioned for a law requiring that engineers blow the horn at all crossings where you could drive around the gates, because it might save someone's life, even though it wouldn't have helped his daughter's situation, gates have bells and flashing lights, and running the gates is already illegal. We now have that law, and if you live anywhere near a crossing you're well aware of it.

- Minnesota apparently had a ban on geocaching, although they seem to have lifted it in favor of strictly regulating it, including the number of caches per park and number of caches a person can own, and time limits on how long a cache can exist, which is in conflict with geocaching.com placement guidelines. Caches are not allowed in any National parks, State Parks or DNR Land. DNR Land? I thought it was public property?

- The last information I read on hiding caches at waysides is that it's prohibited. Part of the reasoning listed is caches might pose a danger.

- Dane County requires a permit and charges an annual fee per hide. Apparently they enforce the geocaching.com guidelines via regulations and fees, although they don't list it in their Fee Schedule.

- Madison retrieved and disposed of geocaches without warning, and cachers are now happy to pay $10 for permission to hide one, just so they are allowed to hide one. I'm not aware of caches causing the park managers enough headaches to require that fee (which I could not find listed on their website). In fact, I'm not even sure how they came across the first one, unless they talked to someone who was enjoying their park system because of geocaching. How long do you think it will be before other park managers and cities see a new revenue stream? A few "we need to be kept safe" voices will be all the ammunition they need to justify the fees.

I could go on and on about how "protective" government is and the outcome it has. In Milwaukee government even regulates how we get on the freeway. There can be the lightest traffic you've ever seen, but you can't get on until the onramp light says you can, even if it causes backups for blocks. (Idling engines must be good for the environment after all.) We were taught how to enter the freeway in Drivers' Education class, but the government regulated it anyway. How much common sense is there in that government decision?

I don't want this to be taken too far and have approvers suggest everything under the sun in order to protect everyone from everything. I don't want more rules. I also don't want to see geocaching become more regulated because it "might" avoid some situation. One incident was all it took to regulate dogs and railroad crossings. Geocaching already had its "one incident."

Edited to add hyperlinks, Dane County, and MN references.

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John Robie
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Joined: 2005-01-21
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:07 am Reply with quote Back to top

I have to agree with this one. If we don't regulate ourselves someone out there will feel that they have to do it for us. Ofcourse nomatter what we do sooner or later someone out there will feel that they can regulate our group better than the people who play it.
Does anyone know why Madison decieded that they had to charge $10 to let us play in their parks?

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EnergySaver
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Joined: 2004-05-28
Posts: 1440
Location: Ozaukee County

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:02 am Reply with quote Back to top

I agree ... at least with the concept that we should do all we can to "highly recommend" the markings be removed, without demanding it ... seems like posting it on WGA would be a simple thing to do. If you do so, remind/suggest that people sand/file the embossed words of the top of decon containers too (as they warn of caustic items inside).

I'm sure most will disagree with me ... but if I wanted to place a cache somewhere and I could, but had to pay a $10 fee and fill out a form, I'd be ok with that. To me it would be like renting a shelter for $35 to have a party in a park. I would like at it as paying $10 to "rent" a little piece of the park for my cache. Personally, I'm all for filling out a form to place a cache ... I would see it as an agreement between me and the park in writing, which protects me to some degree too ... and $10 is much less than you seem to have to pay anywhere else to fill out a form for a permit. Just my opinion, again I'm assuming I'm a minority in that opinion.
 
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WISearchers
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Joined: 2002-12-23
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:45 am Reply with quote Back to top

To the best of my knowledge, the CITY OF MADISON does not charge a fee. Here are the rules:

"Anyone wishing to place a cache in a city of Madison park must contact Rhonda Veroeven who will gain permission from Madison Parks representative. To contact Rhonda please email at b_and_us at yahoo dot com or through WISearchers at GC dot com

Geocaching activity is only allowed in general parklands in the City of Madison and Geocaching activity is prohibited at: Forest Hill Cemetery, Olbrich Garden, City of Madison conservation parks, Odana Golf Course, Monona Golf Course, Yahara Golf Course, Glenway Golf Course and areas with identified Indian Mounds.

All geocachers will be respectful of all public parkland. No digging or penetration of ground surface will be permitted. Trees, shrubs and plants will not be disturbed or altered at any time.

Questions related to access, policies, regulation and protocol regarding geocaching in the City of Madison parks will be submitted to WGA liasion R. Veroeven who will report directly to James Weisnstock, Parks Operation Supervisor."

Now, Dane County Parks are a different story. One must contact the County Parks office and Pay $10 for a permit to hide a cache in a COUNTY PARK.

Hope that clears it up.

Anymore questions, talk to my wife, Rhonda. Image

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Opossum
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Joined: 2005-05-11
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by EnergySaver:
I'm sure most will disagree with me ... but if I wanted to place a cache somewhere and I could, but had to pay a $10 fee and fill out a form, I'd be ok with that.


With a $10 annual fee, given the caches you've placed in the last two years, and making the assumption multi-caches are limited to a $20 fee no matter how many legs there are (or assuming there are only 2 legs--and I realize you have more on at least one), your current bill would come to just under $400. You'd owe more money next month.

Not to mention any eco-names, but some bills would be over $100 per month.

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Thanks for the update on the registration differences between Madison City Parks and Dane County Parks. As Madison is in Dane County it appeared as if the $10 fee applied.
 
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