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Cathunter




Joined: 2003-09-10
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

To many times discussions disappear from the forums because the initial poster doesn't care for the direction the thread is going. Forum posts are made so that we can determine how other people feel about the topic at hand. If we all agree on everything, there would be no need for open conversation. Each time a post is unnecessarily deleted, we all lose the ability to think about or sometimes even gain from what has been said. Everyone has the ability to proofread and spell-check their documents before posting. There is no reason for entire threads to disappear from the forums.

I ask that the board would please consider removing the delete/edit post function from the WGA forums.


 
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bnb
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Joined: 2003-05-20
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for your comments. I know I would like to hear other member's comments on this as well.

Ruth
 
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PCFrog
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Joined: 2005-05-11
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Location: Sparta, WI

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top



Someone did ask for an opinionÖ.


Here is what I think. (again)

I make spelling and grammar mistakes. Most of time I donít even catch them due to the fact I have horrible habit of knowing what I saying and miss whatís actually typed. At times I make gross errors that I notice later. So, I like being able to edit those gross errors which can lead to confusion and therefore people do not get the intent of the post.

Being able to delete a post is helpful but at same time as you stated eliminates information someone might be looking for good or bad. This happened to me once and I thought I was loosing it. Later someone stated that they deleted the message.

When doing the coin I created several treads to help organize the discussions. I did not want one large tread that covered suggestions, voting, submission, and general yak for it would be hard to read the mix of post. Some people expressed that they did not care for this so I later deleted those once those topics once they were completed. The unfortunate part of this they are no longer around for reference if needed.

While I think post should not be deleted and part me thinks people should be allowed to remove a post if they changed their mind. While I donít know if itís possible a feature that would allow a poster to delete a post within 2-3 hours of posting would be nice but after that it basically is permanent. Removal of a post would then be by admin means only.


How many errors did I make here? Image

 
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bnb
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The following comments are made as a WGA member, not as a member of the bod.

I think there are two types of deletion. One is the ability to delete your own posts, the other is the ability to delete an entire thread. In my opinion I think each person should have the ability to delete their own posts. However, I don't think people should have the right to delete an entire thread/subject without the permission of all those who have responded.

Ruth
 
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Bushwhacking Queen
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Joined: 2004-09-30
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Location: West Bend, WI, USA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by Cathunter:
To many times discussions disappear from the forums because the initial poster doesn't care for the direction the thread is going. Forum posts are made so that we can determine how other people feel about the topic at hand. If we all agree on everything, there would be no need for open conversation. Each time a post is unnecessarily deleted, we all lose the ability to think about or sometimes even gain from what has been said. Everyone has the ability to proofread and spell-check their documents before posting. There is no reason for entire threads to disappear from the forums.

I ask that the board would please consider removing the delete/edit post function from the WGA forums.




This is my take on it:
As someone who is quick with the fingers (and sometimes quick with the comments), I like the idea of being able to edit my post. Typing in the little box and then proof reading it before sending it I still miss. It is the format I think Once it is posted in the thread I look at it and sometimes hit my forehead and say, "WHAT?" or "wrong homonym" or "duh!"

The forum doesn't have a spellcheck so sometimes mispelled words are not caught until after the posting. I like to be able to go back in and make a correction. After all, I would hate to have to see a mispelled word, punctuation error, excetera when re-reading my posts if it wasn't intentional. I know, who cares? Well being in school I can see Professor grabbing a pen and saying, "WHAT?" or "SO" or correcting my punctuation (which is horrible in this post).

As I was advised by a current board member, it is always a good thing to quote someone when posting in the thread. In doing so, it wouldn't matter if someone deleted their log, the information would still be visible.

When we talk to people we can't take back what we say, but we also have non-verbal communication to help us understand the meaning of what was said. Typing on the forums we lose our non-verbal communication. Things come across different than the way we expected it to. It's nice to be able to elaborate or fix what was posted.

~B.Q.
 
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wzbt03
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Joined: 2003-02-02
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Does the original poster have the option to delete comments by others that are not within the ground rules stated for the thread? (provided there are some)

If not, adding this feature would solve the issue in most posts. If I were to respond to a post (and I have) that does not follow the general theme of the post then the original poster should be able to control this since it was their post. Right now I think the only option is to delete the whole thing, good and bad.

Anyone can post a topic and I imagine duplicates are allowed if someone desires to do that type of post.
 
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Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu
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Joined: 2004-05-06
Posts: 2008
Location: Waukesha, WI, US

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Great point cathunter. Deleting the topic is frustrating and just becasue one person or that person posting the topic , doesn't care for the turn of events, it IS important to keep the communication flowing.

But......

PLEEEEASE don't get rid of the editing option. I am the worlds WORST at spelling and for some reason when I proof read it before I post.. it pops up on the board with typos LOL Now how can that be??? Must be a computer thing. Otherwise.... Keep the topics going.

Of course there is the issue of topics repeated in several catagories. The maybe put a lock on it and a note that conversation has moved to such `n such a post. Does that make sense????? I can be notorious for talking in circles if I am over tired.

{any typos?? Image }

ok...now I have an added note. Instead of making another post.. I can just edit.

[This message has been edited by Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu (edited 01-31-2006).]
 
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GrouseTales
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Joined: 2002-02-18
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Location: West Allis, Wi

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

If you create a thread, the settings allow you to delete the WHOLE thread. This includes all the replies. You also have the option of deleting your own "replies".

If you make a typo in the body of your message, you can "edit". If you are the thread starter and make a mistake in the forum title, you either live with the mistake, or delete and repost. Once someone has responded to the thread, deleting to edit a thread topic title, also deletes someone else's post, who may not want it deleted.

The forum settings have a setting to allow editing, but not allow deletion. We could enable this if that's what the association wants.
 
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GeoPink
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Joined: 2003-11-01
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Location: Manitowoc, WI

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

With the option to edit one's message is also the option to manually delete the contents of that message.

The option to press a button and delete a message and topic should be removed and changed to edit only.

My comments, whether on my thread or someone elses, are important enough to me that I've taken the time to respond. No one should be able to prevent those comments from being read by the community by deleting a thread.

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The comments and opinions above are those solely of Team GeoPink (arcangl7) and are not those of the WGA, the WGA board, or its other fine members.
 
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Bushwhacking Queen
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Joined: 2004-09-30
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Location: West Bend, WI, USA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:03 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by arcangl7:
My comments, whether on my thread or someone elses, are important enough to me that I've taken the time to respond. No one should be able to prevent those comments from being read by the community by deleting a thread.




Exactly!
 
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Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:06 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I second that BQ!!
 
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Cathunter




Joined: 2003-09-10
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Location: Bristol WI

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:37 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Lots of good thoughts here!
I think we all wish that the forums had a simple spell-check feature. Unfortunately, most of the commonly used BB systems do not make it standard issue. When I feel the need to use proper spelling, I type my posts into Microsoft Word or a similar word processor that does spell-check, and then cut and paste it into the forum. This takes 2 seconds longer, but is much more effective than having to go back and correct my spelling later.

The downside of being able to edit a post on the boards is that the poster could completely change what was said, or even delete all of his or her words, leaving nothing but an empty post with a single character in its place. This would be no different that deleting the post altogether.

Our BB system is in the process of being overhauled (thanks Jeremy!) and I know that with the new phpBB systems, the board can be set to prevent users from editing and deleting posts. (Moderators can be allowed this ability)

One of the other great functions that can be used on the newer BB systems is the ability to create polls in which all the users can vote on an idea. With at least one other issue in the past, we voted (yes or no) to make a change in our operations. This is the fairest way for the membership to make decisions. While the board of directors does have the final say, they would quite surly agree to the wishes of the majority vote.

I would like to start the voting process on this issue.
Please post your vote in the format-

"Edit-No" or "Edit-Yes"
and
"Delete-No" or "Delete-Yes"

To keep the vote orderly, please do not include any further comments in posts to this thread. As it stands, if you do post undesired comments, I could delete this entire thread. Image
 
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Cathunter




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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Edit- NO
Delete- NO
 
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greyhounder
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Joined: 2004-01-18
Posts: 3342
Location: Fort Atkinson, WI, USA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Deleting your own comments: okay

Deleting someome elese's thoughts (i.e. the whole thread: don't like that too much either

Deleting something someone else states is too much like censorship for my tastes (another reason I'm also not too keen on Uber-Moderation of forums).

I've missed out on some pretty interesting threads because they had been deleted, and then I just get to hear about them from others.

I like to hear everyone's opinion -- good, bad and downright silly. I like debates, and threads that get the blood boiling. There is plenty to be learned about communication there. Plus, sometimes the best ideas come out of this.

My family is that of big (and sometimes loud) debaters. It's just what we do. There's no taking back a discussion that goes horribly wrong. But also in my family, once it's out there we get over it. You made me mad, but I have respect for your right to be mad. Can't delete it, but maybe we can learn from it.

Do I (ever) make sense?

Bec
 
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greyhounder
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Sorry -- just had to post my comments (I DARE you to delete them Russ! Image )

Edit -- yes (you could edit out your comments....)
Delete -- no

Bec
 
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