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What is your opinion of logging a "found it" on a cache where the logger has not solved the puzzle?
This is ok.
37%
 37%  [ 27 ]
This is not ok.
29%
 29%  [ 21 ]
Other answer not listed.
33%
 33%  [ 24 ]
Total Votes : 72


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sandlanders
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:21 am Reply with quote Back to top

Thank you, GMO, for reminding us of grace.
 
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gotta run
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:41 am Reply with quote Back to top

Very well said, GMO. I will take your words to heart.
 
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marc_54140
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

-cheeto- wrote:
CodeJunkie wrote:
Johnny Cache wrote:
You wouldn't believe the things you can learn when you're trying to find out "Where's Dave?" and "Where's Dave now?"

I just figured out where Dave was then AND now. Of course I can't find Dave yet, but I know where he was. Does this sound confusing or what?


your welcome wink


Dave who?
 
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marc_54140
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

gotta run wrote:
Very well said, GMO. I will take your words to heart.


I do also, except you are standing on the other side of the fence from me.

But, fences do make good neighbors, right?
 
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marc_54140
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

What's the wording for that Serenity prayer ....

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

I know I can not change cachers, their habits or beliefs, and so I really do not ... what word should I use? Care? I consider myself a Stoic.
 
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cheezehead
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm thinking it's gotta be in the water, or air or ya all take the same pill or something or you just come by it naturally.

It all comes down to a freaking stupid game. Take all that negative energy and make it useful. Go visit an old folks home,(no not Marc's) or you local humane society and take a dog for a walk or something constructive then bickering here it ain't going to get ya nowhere but more entrenched against each other.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

cheezehead wrote:
I'm thinking it's gotta be in the water, or air or ya all take the same pill or something or you just come by it naturally.



Probably the air ... the smell from Thilmany, over in Kaukauna. Cool
 
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Captain and Mate
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

marc_54140 wrote:


God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.



As we've read this thread over the last several days, we've thought of these words a number of times.

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seldom|seen
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:54 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well, that's the crux of the situation isn't it, trying to fathom whether the 2nd or 3rd line of the verse applies... and when.

It's just the time of year, in part, which pushes these heated threads beyond civil discourse. Seems like topics and responses always get a little wild in late winter as we are all anxiously watching the snow melt.

For my part, I too have suffered from a little foot-in-mouth, but am on the mend. Whatever the offenses hurled from this glass house, just know that my goal is not to make the sport less enjoyable for anyone. I want cachers to get something lasting out of hunting s|s puzzles and simply feel that that "something" is mostly missed when you don't make at least a partial effort to solve them. Perhaps some of you see it as a bone-headed, lop-sided view of geocaching from a bone-headed lop-sided cacher (just look at my numbers), but at least I have the courage and conviction to admit it and defend my viewpoint, recognizing the inherent values of puzzles themselves and doing my best to espouse them here.

What I will not do is try to convince anyone that they should simply ignore CO wishes and just log those pesky puzzle to get them off your radar because nobody cares and it is just a game. That's akin to saying "cheat at any card game or pool or darts or scrabble or whatever, because it's just a game".

Would you teach your children that?
 
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gotta run
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:18 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Thank you to all who responded to this poll, which looks like it's run its course. I have found the results to be interesting, and the comments that were constructive to be useful. Although arguments got heated, that’s not a reason to discount the opinions behind those arguments (on either side). Hopefully people on both sides of the fence, or on it, have also gained some value from it.

As I said a few posts ago, I have no new arguments to add to the mix, but I guess I do have something more to say. (I know, big surprise…)

On this puzzle issue and others I am outspoken, quick-tempered, and too fast to respond to slights that are real or perceived—all facts that will surprise no one who has seen only my electronic dialog. Like seldom|seen, I too have enjoyed the acrid taste of rubber sole on more than one occasion. Yes, I am contentious, not because I like to pick a fight, but because I’m unwilling to simply accept the status quo without giving it a good attempt to make things better, admittedly as I see them.

But I am not so pretentious as to believe that this is somehow “my” game, which leads me back to this topic and the reason I polled it in the first place. My opinion on the central question has not changed, but it’s clear my opinion is in the minority, particularly if we look beyond the microcosm that is the WGA and to the larger, worldwide scope of the game where logging without solving has become more and more a standard operating procedure and remarkable caches have been overwhelmed by series of treasure trails. And, as has been pointed out, despite whatever spirit of play the rules may contemplate for puzzle caches, the letter of the law allows the game to be distilled to the lowest common denominator: sign log/log find…end of story.

Therefore, it’s simply not worth arguing about, and if I’m ever tempted to do so in these forums in the future, I’m sure someone will be happy to point me back to this thread to remind me what a complete waste of time it would be to bring it up again. You win.
 
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marc_54140
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:06 pm Reply with quote Back to top

seldom|seen wrote:
That's akin to saying "cheat at any card game or pool or darts or scrabble or whatever, because it's just a game".



You are mixing apples and oranges, in my opinion. The 'games' you mention do have rules.

But there still are no established rules for finding puzzle caches.
 
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cheezehead
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

marc_54140 wrote:
seldom|seen wrote:
That's akin to saying "cheat at any card game or pool or darts or scrabble or whatever, because it's just a game".



You are mixing apples and oranges, in my opinion. The 'games' you mention do have rules.

But there still are no established rules for finding puzzle caches.

So my virtual armchair logging drive-by bus tour of all your caches is good to go? After all, I'm just going to log them under one of my own caches. No rules against that right?
 
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