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sandlanders
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Sarcasm is a double-edged sword. I enjoy it very much, but I have been in the position where my audience was not as appreciative of my attempts at what I thought was humorous. Therefore, I try to think about all the ways my words can be perceived before letting them loose on the world.

How do you know that jerrys dad's post was dripping with sarcasm, gotta run? Do you know him and how he thinks? I doubt it, because you called him Jerry, which is not his name but his son's. Have you had banter back and forth with him such as this before so that you knew he would take your remarks as sarcasm back at him? Again, I doubt it. It sounded very high-handed on your part, and I took offense at what you said and how you said it, and I wasn't the object of your comment.

To not realize that your words may have had a very negative effect on someone only compounds your original lack of sensitivity.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

gotta run wrote:
Jerry, why don't you take your sunshine and rainbows away for a much longer time this time around, eh?


Actions like this is why I left in the first place.

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gotta run
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Glass houses............
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Fight nice, children. This is getting old.
Please stay on topic and knock off the other crap.

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hotdogs_off_trail
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I still cannot put a link in correctly. And I hate to embarrass the Sandlanders, but here is a link to their log for one of our caches (read parts 1 & 2 of the latest log). To us it is an early Christmas present, it made Bonnie's and my day, and is the answer to what a geocaching log is all about. I was mentally taken there with them as they found their #1800

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=b63e53fe-3c8e-44e6-9567-a18d323b0d4f

Not all caches will ever get a log like that, or deserve one, but real geocachers get as much fun out of geocaching as they put into it!!! This is what makes it worthwhile.

THANKS, SANDLANDERS!!!!!!

And if you read the log previous to that, I may have to move the final next year as the DNR may sell and the trees be harvested in the area. Sheesh.
 
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Braid Beards Gang
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:21 pm Reply with quote Back to top

gotta run wrote:

Ummmmmmm....I didn't write that second one BGG.


Sorry, a copy and paste error. It has been longer then ten minutes otherwise I would correct it.

I just wanted to point out how the two posts were related, exemplified by Jerrys Dad's last post.

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gotta run
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:31 am Reply with quote Back to top

Ok, back on topic...to rephrase my original post that caused such indignation:

"JD, this is a thread that is essentially based on a number of complaints and opinions. The title itself asks for opinions. To complain about people complaining therefore makes no sense (unless you truly are "glad to see" that we are still complaining about the same stuff...)

Furthermore, based on your post earlier this year about how you felt people here were telling others how to play the game, it's pretty clear that your post here continues that theme. So, to follow that up with some sarcastic "suggestions" about how the WGA should tell people how to play the game is not helpful."

I thought my original reply was more in keeping with the tone of JD's post...so be it.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Hi, all! This is my first post here. Zuma mentioned this thread after I recently "hollered" at another cacher for posting copy/paste logs on a bunch of my caches (said cacher has since redeemed himself admirably, many times over, with some great logs!).

It took me a while, but I worked through all 12 pages. I must say that it sure feels great to see folks in a forum communicating like adults for a change!

The way I see it, a log serves many functions:


    First and foremost, those logs are my personal journal of what I have done, who I did it with, and what my experience was like. I find it very rewarding to go back and reminisce.

    Next, they serve as feedback for the cache owner. They are the "Thank you!" that you give after a friend fixes you dinner.

    Third, they often serve to give future finders some important or helpful information about the hide when they are having problems with it.

    Forth, they help me refine my future caches, based on the feedback I receive.


A while back, I saved what I think is a pretty good analogy that somebody posted on the National forums. This sums it up pretty well for me:


Suppose you invite someone over for dinner and put a lot of effort into making a very nice meal.

The guest arrives, eats the meal, and then gets up and leaves without a word. That's a blank log.

If the guest eats, then gives a burp and leaves, that's a tftc.

If the guest thanks you for the meal, compliments your cooking, and offers to help clean up, well, that's a nice log.

Are you going to be motivated to put out the effort again for the first two?

Unfortunately, it seems that the trend has gotten to where it's considered a very polite thing if you at least burp...
 
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zuma
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Glad to see you here Knowschad, and I hope you enjoy the discussions. Great analogy, and thanks for sharing.

zuma

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Knowschad




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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks, Zuma.

A great example that I like to point to is the (in)famous Bobcam. As number 5 in the world in geocaches found, he almost always logs more than 100 in a day. At times, many more. He did confess to me that, when logging the E.T. Trail, that he had four or five logs that he copied /pasted at random, but generally, you will find that he logs at least a sentence on each cache that has something to do with his unique experience at that particular cache.

He does carry a digital recorder these days as a helper. Taking his lead, I bought one too, and I've found that if I record something on it, that I really don't need to use it. Its like taking notes in school... if you don't, you'll be lost, if you do, you'll probably never need to use them.

In any case, I feel that if Bobcam can do it, so can I.

BTW: I have logged many lamp skirt caches with "I'm starting to get the hang of these". Once, on one of DOC's early LPC's in the cities, I deliberately posted two DNFs before posting the actual log. But I'm kinda goofy that way.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for stopping in Dog with Glasses!
Good analogy on writing logs. We may have to steal that and put it someplace more permanent.
(burp)

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sweetlife
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Very good I will also have to save that one.

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Northwoods Tom
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:09 am Reply with quote Back to top

Knowschad wrote:
First and foremost, those logs are my personal journal of what I have done, who I did it with, and what my experience was like. I find it very rewarding to go back and reminisce..

I throughly enjoyed your insight! I have to admit that the above quote plays a big role for me. This is what happens as I get older, I can't always remember what the cache was all about. My logs are truly a great way to rekindle the memory.
 
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Mister Greenthumb
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:59 am Reply with quote Back to top

This topic is really getting stale.

The only thing that will kill the game is no satellites.
 
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Lostby7
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:29 am Reply with quote Back to top

Mister Greenthumb wrote:
This topic is really getting stale.

The only thing that will kill the game is no satellites.

I hear tell we are in for some major sunspot activity....never a good thing for geocaching.
 
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