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rpaske
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Joined: 2002-09-09
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Location: Slinger, WI/ USA

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Wisconsin geocaching and Wisconsin DNR go together like...
 
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Trudy and the beast
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Joined: 2002-07-26
Posts: 2375
Location: Milwaukee, WI, USA

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Like Green & Gold
Like Peanut butter & Jelly
Like Funk & Wagnals
Like M & Ms
 
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Ootek
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Joined: 2004-01-12
Posts: 75
Location: North Prairie, WI US

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Aphorism: contibuted by:

Love and Marriage (Frank Sinatra)
Horse and Carriage (Frank Sinatra)
Peas and Carrots (Forrest Gump)
Latitude and Longitude (Magellan (or Garmin))
Brats and Beer... (Me)

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Opossum
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Joined: 2005-05-11
Posts: 210
Location: WI, USA

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Like dumb and blonde.
 
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Decrepit
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Joined: 2004-09-19
Posts: 473

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

like... Old and Decrepit
like... milk and cookies
 
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geodawn
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Joined: 2005-04-03
Posts: 125
Location: Fort Atkinson, wi

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:46 am Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by Opossum:
Like dumb and blonde.


wow. you really know how to make friends, don't you, opossum.



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Opossum
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Joined: 2005-05-11
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

To nobody and everybody in particular:

I've met the approvers for Wisconsin, and they seem pretty darn smart. However, several geocachers seem to think getting the DNR or other regulatory agencies actively involved in the approval process and perhaps paying a fee to geocache isn't a bad idea. Let me ask you this: Since the Wisconsin approvers know what they're doing, what is it YOU don't understand so badly that you need government help to figure it out?

No, don't worry about regulating other people, because they're just as smart as you on average. I bet the guy who "pushes the broom" at work could out snow-shovel you any day because he knows the tricks of getting it done quickly, also called "doing it right." He doesn't ask that snow-shoveling be regulated. Ever see someone professionally drywall a room? How smart do you think the average drywaller is? They screw up sheets of drywall and slap some "mud" on it. Ever try this simple process? These and other folks are pretty smart at what they do. I bet they'd make just as good of geocachers as anyone else.

The Wisconsin approvers are pretty smart at what they do also, so let them do their jobs. There's nothing wrong with explaining geocaching to government agencies so they know what's going on, but getting them involved and having to ask their permission to geocache is another story. Everything you do is already regulated anyway. Read the WI State Statues if you don't believe me.

And hey, I used the smiley.
 
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Cathunter




Joined: 2003-09-10
Posts: 1263
Location: Bristol WI

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

OK Opossum, I have to ask- What are you rambling on about?

We work with land managers simply so they don't make poor judgement about our sport. We don't desire more rules, but THEY are likely to know more about their land and the areas they don't want trampled than we are.

It's not about regulation; it is about cooperation- something we all could use everywhere we go.
 
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PCFrog
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Joined: 2005-05-11
Posts: 728
Location: Sparta, WI

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well...

Having worked directly with the government now for over 15 years I can understand where Opossum coming from. If you want to make anything more complicated and create more delays get the government involved. Yes there are exceptions to that but in general that holds true.

I do however agree that getting the DNR and other to see that we self regulate is good for it shows responsibility. The last thing most people want is another "thing" that adds work to their job, and if that other thing is no interest to them it can quickly take a back seat. However there are those out there that will see geocaching as unregulated and will make it their personal mission to make rules and regulations for geocachers.

I'm personally completely against fees, or possible a license to hide a cache. I fully agree with getting the land manager of a place to “ok” a cache but to have a form circulate to people in the government who have to put their John Hancock on a form about some cache they don't care about in some place they probably never been to is just wrong. (This happens all the time in government with other things)

So, in regards to Cathunters remarks, to me the WGA takes a stance of not creating rules for cachers to follow yet, it is openly is inviting the government to do it.

It’s a fine line for WGA to walk and I understand that and hold nothing against anyone. But at times asking brings unwanted attention. In my experience getting cooperation from a government agency is rare.

Its good for people to express their opinion so the WGA board members know the stance of the members in the association, and those who do are simply taking part in the group.

Well this seems a little off topic from the post but hey never know where something interesting will show up. :-)

The government does not cooperate, it regulates.
 
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sbukosky
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Joined: 2002-02-18
Posts: 644
Location: Waukesha, WI USA

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well, with all that being said, I'd say the DNR and Geocaching go together like vinegar and oil. You have to keep shaking things up so they ''get together''.

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Steve Bukosky
Waukesha
 
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Cathunter




Joined: 2003-09-10
Posts: 1263
Location: Bristol WI

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It is those who don't know what the sport is about who are our biggest adversaries. I'm not one to support every rule or law, but I abide by these rules to remain as free as I can. In a perfect world we could all run free and do what we would like and there would be no negative impact. Realize that what our members have accomplished with land managers may be the only thing that has prevented the same people from banning geocaching on those properties. Look around at what has happened in many other states and you will see how some forward thinking on the part of some of our members has made Wisconsin one of the most geocaching friendly states in the nation. Much like fishing and hunting, some regulation is in order to make sure we are able to enjoy the sport for years to come.

Do I like the idea of paying to anything that could be free? Of course not! Will I continue to buy park stickers, boat registration, fishing licenses, etc. in order to do what I love? Absolutely!

It is clear that the sport will continue to grow. With this growth there is no way for geocachers to operate clandestinely, nor do many of them wish to. It is up to those who care about the sport to do whatever we can to ensure it grows in the most positive direction possible.

The WGA and the DNR can go together like wine and cheese. Don't allow either to spoil, and we will be able to enjoy our sport for a long time to come.
 
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Trudy and the beast
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Joined: 2002-07-26
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Location: Milwaukee, WI, USA

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:27 am Reply with quote Back to top

are there no threads on this board that are just for fun?
 
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Opossum
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Joined: 2005-05-11
Posts: 210
Location: WI, USA

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:02 am Reply with quote Back to top

In the last 5 days, 50% of the topics seem to contain nothing but entertainment. (I really like the geocaching pictures. Image ) The other 50% seem to provide flame-free information. Is that a good balance or what? Compared to geocaching.com that's a lot of bang-for-the-buck! The great part is that people usually give sold reasons explaining what they think, instead of some wishy-washy stuff about how they feel.
 
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MajorBrat
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Joined: 2005-04-07
Posts: 303
Location: Silver Lake, WI USA

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by Trudy & the beast:
are there no threads on this board that are just for fun?


Sorry Ray, "fun threads" are not allowed here. When someone tries to start one, someone takes offense to it and removes it or starts whining about it until someone else removes it. The problem here is that people take everything WAAAAYYYYY too personally. Those of us who do try to have fun are stifled by the powers that be. So, it's just easier for us to play in emails back and forth than it is to run the risk of stepping on toes or knocking people out of joint. (Having said that...Dawn, I haven't heard from you in a while...are you okay?)
 
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MajorBrat
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Location: Silver Lake, WI USA

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:29 pm Reply with quote Back to top

PS...we sure do miss Jeff (wzbt03!)
 
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