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Uncle_Fun
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Joined: 2003-12-26
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Location: Franklin, WI USA

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Got a call from the West Allis park director Mike Rushmer. I have received permission in the past for caches I have placed in West Allis parks. He thought I was the owner of this cache.

Apparently a police officer observed someone looking for this cache GCPP16 "Not Fair", questioned them, was treaty kind of rudely by the person. The police have removed the cache.

I was asked to notify the owner and future cachers that this type of hide is very dangerous. There is 250 volts of electricity with in inches of the container. I was also asked to make sure this gets archieved.

He has requested my assistance in looking at all of the caches in city of West Allis parks to make sure that they are safe. He is not against geocaching but does ask to use common sense when hiding them and to notify him when you place a cache in a City of West Allis park. If you would like contact information for him, please let me know.

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marc_54140
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Location: Little Chute

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Light pole, as in Walmart caches?
 
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Lostby7
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Joined: 2005-06-07
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Location: Lake country area, WI

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I've now run into several of this type. I own one and will archive as well. Thanks for passing this on Uncle Fun.
 
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wifireman
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Joined: 2004-07-11
Posts: 217
Location: Tomah, WI

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Like canister pole caches in my opinion are way too dangerous to be messing with.. Its not going to be good when someone gets shocked while reaching in to these things and someone gets hurt or killed. It doesnt take much shocking for your heart to go wacky!

Common sense comes into play when doing these caches.

smokey

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Uncle_Fun
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Marc,
This was in regards to a cache hidden int the skirt of a light pole type of cache. The Park Manager is totally fine with caches in the park, just not ones so close to potentially deadly amounts of electricity.

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ecorangers
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Joined: 2004-06-21
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Location: West Bend, WI USA

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:37 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I agree with Smokey that common sense comes into play, but this type of urban cache has been around for some time. Has anyone ever been hurt? Personally, while I am all for safety, and got sick of these types of caches in Florida, I'm seeing way too many attempts to limiting geocaching (e.g., eliminating virtual and locationless caches--certainly hunted and more educational than another cache in a stump). Maybe I should try harder to stop that evil monkey from planting caches because someone potentially might get hurt! Alright, I've said my part and I await the upcoming lecture on safety.
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Uncle_Fun
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I guess it still boils down to what a cache placer should be doing...use common sense and get permission.
 
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marc_54140
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:12 am Reply with quote Back to top

Ah, Professor? Maybe I should also sit in on that lecture!
 
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Cathunter




Joined: 2003-09-10
Posts: 1263
Location: Bristol WI

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I agree with saftey first. There should be no caches within .5 miles of any paved surface.

Unless of course it is someplace totally awesome.

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marc_54140
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:06 am Reply with quote Back to top

I've heard 'awesome' mentioned in the parking lot of Wally World!
 
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Cathunter




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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:33 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by marc_54140:
I've heard 'awesome' mentioned in the parking lot of Wally World!



Obviously they had lived a sheltered life.
 
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EnergySaver
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Joined: 2004-05-28
Posts: 1440
Location: Ozaukee County

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

My 20 cents on this issue ...

1. Not sure where the "too many rules on geocaching" factor comes in on this. Doesn't appear that GC, WGA or Approvers have attempted to stop this type of hides. The "ruling" came from the local authorities.

2. Is it likely that someone will get "zapped" on a cache like this ... not likely ... but possible. If this is the type of light pole I think we're talking of, there IS electricity flowing within inches of the cache. It IS possible that either a cable or conduit could have a weak or worn spot, potentially exposing someone to a shock. Personally, I don't get why these poles don't have some kind of screw(s) holding the housing in place.

3. Never under estimated a weak spot in insulation potential. I use to do wiring in a factory, I closed a conduit trough cover on a wire chaseway, the metal cover just happened to hit a weak spot in the insulation on a 100amp line (NOT a splice in the cable, but simply a flaw in the insulation of the cable). It melted a quarter size hole out of the thick metal cover, beads of metal imbedded in my safty glasses and it burnt little house in my t-shirt.

4. What recourse does a cache owner have ... tell the LAND OWNER (Walmart or local government) to agree with you and talk to the police.
 
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Ootek
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Joined: 2004-01-12
Posts: 75
Location: North Prairie, WI US

PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

With so many great places to hide a cache that are less controversial, why is this even an issue? "Different strokes for different folks", but I can't imagine hunting a cache in a Wal-Mart parking lot offering much aesthetic value.
 
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marc_54140
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Location: Little Chute

PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

In all seriousness, how many of these caches are there in this state? The only one I know of is Quilt Crazy in Green Bay. And I've cached heavily down and into the West Bend area, and not found any.

(Actually, this is a subtle way of finding out where they are, and I plan to hurry up and hunt them down before they disappeare!)


 
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Opossum
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Joined: 2005-05-11
Posts: 210
Location: WI, USA

PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:26 am Reply with quote Back to top

We have a lamp-post micro (GCP7RJ). It's in a micro-park in the city of West Allis, with not much of a view, unless you like Citgo stations. We pick up trash in the park every few weeks when we check on the cache. The feedback has been fantastic, but a lot of planning went into the hide. The micro-park is something like 15 x 30 feet, so you'd think the find would be easy, or at least I thought it would be, but doesn't it always go that way? Solve this one with the micro-people if you like something a bit different. (It's even on a bus route.)
 
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