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kbraband
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:11 am Reply with quote Back to top

What would happen if we stopped tossing around the term "lame" to cast a dark label on any cache that, according to our personal judgment, we deem not worthy of our time even though the very nature of geocaching is a "pastime" hobby.
 
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rubeeslpr
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Joined: 2003-07-13
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Location: Monona, WI USA

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:21 am Reply with quote Back to top

We're with you Ken. Different strokes for different folks. We find ourselves seeking different types of caches, depending on what that day may bring, how much time we have, where we are, etc. There is no need to brand caches as lame. It's all in the eye of the seeker. Cache how you want to, but don't judge what others do.

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Originally posted by kbraband:
What would happen if we stopped tossing around the term "lame" to cast a dark label on any cache that, according to our personal judgment, we deem not worthy of our time even though the very nature of geocaching is a "pastime" hobby.


 
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wzbt03
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Joined: 2003-02-02
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think I listed some bullets as to what I considered a "lame" cache and your input with your bullets might be interesting discussion instead of just throwing bricks at my opinions.
There is way too much brick throwing around here whenever anyone voices their opinion.
Either offer something to the discussion or keep your bricks in your own yard.
Of course that is just my opinion.
There are very few who actually get into these discussions for that exact reason.
Perhaps there would be more people participate if they felt that they could say something without someone telling them they shouldn't say it.

I believe the discussion was:

What would happen if.....

 
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hogrod
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Joined: 2005-07-24
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:44 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by rubeeslpr:
There is no need to brand caches as lame. It's all in the eye of the seeker.



Actually I think this post was trying to have the hider look at there own caches, so I see no problem with calling ones own caches lame. To be able to recognise that the cache is lackluster in some way is actually a good thing for everyone, don't you all want to leave people remembering there experience at your cache for along time?


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kbraband
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by wzbt03:
I think I listed some bullets as to what I considered a "lame" cache and your input with your bullets might be interesting discussion instead of just throwing bricks at my opinions.
There is way too much brick throwing around here whenever anyone voices their opinion.
Either offer something to the discussion or keep your bricks in your own yard.
Of course that is just my opinion.
There are very few who actually get into these discussions for that exact reason.
Perhaps there would be more people participate if they felt that they could say something without someone telling them they shouldn't say it.

I believe the discussion was:

What would happen if.....




Jeff, my apologies if you felt there is a brick contained in my message. Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean he or she is "throwing bricks" and saying you should not express your opinion.

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seekers8711
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by kbraband:
What would happen if we stopped tossing around the term "lame" to cast a dark label on any cache that, according to our personal judgment, we deem not worthy of our time even though the very nature of geocaching is a "pastime" hobby.


We agree! My wife and I have been members for a bit over 2 years and enjoy Geocaching very much. However, for us it really is a "pastime" and something we do when we have time and opportunity. We're not interested in numbers and we also don't think any caches are "lame". Yes, there are a few we haven't and probably will not do, but it is for our reasons and of no business to others.

We also agree with some of the comments of Team Honeybunnies; if you don't want to do a cache, don't do it. That does not make it lame.

Pretty One and I joined this hobby for exercise, problem solving and visiting new and unusual places. I think, IMHO, far too many are taking a "pastime" and making it far too serious.

Life is short, eat dessert first!

seekers8711

 
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wzbt03
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Of course your right Seekers8711, some do take this way to serious.
Maybe I have too much fun seeing which ones I can get excited over the little things.

My New Years resolution..........

well I have until midnight to decide ....
 
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Team Honeybunnies
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:51 am Reply with quote Back to top

Hi wzbt03, we haven't had the opportunity to meet you yet. It's valid that there are caches out there yet that lack that certain something for the experienced cacher, heck maybe even for the novice cacher. They're not all gems. But they're our people. Some caches have gained reputations over time, and they're waiting for us. You haven't hit the cache count you're at without doing some serious caching, and I'd be interested in what caused you're change of heart. If I said I liked them all I'd be lying, but I am thankful that someone enjoyed hiding all of our finds. The sport has changed, probably before we started playing, but is it really irredeemable? No matter where it goes we'll still be walking in the woods and if we're lucky we'll meet you there.
 
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Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu
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Joined: 2004-05-06
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Location: Waukesha, WI, US

PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by wzbt03:

Bad Caches

What would happen if everyone who had a lame cache, picked it up and archived it?
Could everyone just look at their own caches and say:

1- Did I bring them to a special place?
2- Was the hunt unique in some way?
3- Is there historical, social or human importance associated with the cache?
4- Did I challenge the hunter in some way?
5- Was the hide clever or camo in a new way?
If the answer is yes, then these caches are of the type that should be out there.



Saw this topic the other nite, but it was late and looked a bit too heavy duty for a blonde brain, like mine, to comprehend at a late hour. So... I waited.

When I put my caches out, I think about those very items listed above. Sometimes I get caches out there then re-think them, wondering if they are too easy or in a dumb place. Then I remember that this sport is NOT just adults and we need some that the lil ones can enjoy too. I figure, if they are at least at a place that would be of interest, then that's my main objective for placement. Sure they are easy for the general cacher, but for those little ones, I KNOW they have a very good chance of finding them.

I also consider the type of cache. Again, I would LOVE to have larger ones with all kinds of goodies in them but some of the areas I bring people to have limited availability for such a cache of larger stature, but I really would like them to visit.

My Fishin' Hole series always brings me back to those questions. Talk about limited area for placement!!! Some of them are postage stamp size and almost impossible to make a hide, but I did it. Sure, some are VERY simple, but that's ok I tell myself. The KIDS will enjoy it and the adults, I HOPE, enjoy the visit in general.

While caching in another state, I began coming across cache after cache after cache that was a "Wal-mart" style hide. Gosh.. it got boring and I started to get VERY frustrated and rather bored. After a little down time, I began to think, "Maybe a younger child placed this and it IS exciting for them, or maybe a new cacher unsure of where to hide." I began accepting what was hide and appreciated what the cache owner did as well as the Numbers racking up.

Oh yeah......it's NOT about the numbers {{{giggle}}}

What it comes down to, in my lil pea-brain, is that I am not one to judge what others feel is a good or exciting hide. Good for them, they're getting out and doing it!!! Lame in one mans mind is awesome in another. Yup...like that one mans junk, one mans treasure comment...perfect analogy!

My 1 cent!! Too broke after the holidays to offer 2 cents, as long as it MAKES cents.. I mean sense!!!

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zuma4now
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Joined: 2005-02-06
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Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin

PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 5:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Hi all,

Interesting topic, with many good points all ready made. I clipped and pasted the following excerpt from the MO cache approvers notes, a note that it seems that they make when approving caches that I think is very much on target:

>>>>"Since your new cache seems to have all the required parts, not closer than 0.1 mile from any other caches, not near a railway and you are close enough to properly maintain it, it has been listed on the GC.com site. As a cache placer,* you * have the unique ability to improve (or degrade) the quality of Geocaching in your area. I hope that this cache will be a positive addition. <<<<

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Bushwhacking Queen
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Joined: 2004-09-30
Posts: 463
Location: West Bend, WI, USA

PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by zuma4now:

>>>>"Since your new cache seems to have all the required parts, not closer than 0.1 mile from any other caches, not near a railway and you are close enough to properly maintain it, it has been listed on the GC.com site. As a cache placer,* you * have the unique ability to improve (or degrade) the quality of Geocaching in your area. I hope that this cache will be a positive addition. <<<<

zuma



True.
 
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djwini
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Joined: 2004-03-31
Posts: 486
Location: Hales Corners, WI, United States

PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

i don't think easy should equate with "lame". i don't like spending my leisure time searching a 50 foot area of the woods for a half hour or more, trying to find a cache. i do like a nice little walk in the woods, with the reward of finding the cache at the end of it. and the woods don't natter. even if it is just a little local park, just being out there instead of sitting in the house watching tv or sitting at my computer like a mouse potato, makes it a great day!
 
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greyhounder
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Joined: 2004-01-18
Posts: 3342
Location: Fort Atkinson, WI, USA

PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

For some of the caches people think are too easy, and not worthy, these may be accessible caches. I'd like to see more of these types.

Bec
 
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CLSx2
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Joined: 2006-01-13
Posts: 9
Location: Greenfield, WI

PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Before I read the rest of this thread I want to respond. I don't mind the easy caches, what I do mind is the junk (literally) that is in them. I am not expecting to find a treasure, but something that is useful, cute, or a small trinket for my son. Four of the six finds we have so far were filled with moldy and/or very used toys. I don't mind used, but these should have been trashed. Ok so back to the "lame" caches. I am just happy to have something get me off the couch and out of the house, at this point in my life (I am 30) I am out of shape, over weight, and have a few health problems, I just needed something that could be done as a family and still be special every time we went out. The easy caches help my son stay excited about geocaching, he had is first find on our 5th cache, and just the glowing grin was worth it even though the cache was water damaged. I do think that there is a need for all types of caches, from very easy to difficult. I have plans to hide 2 caches, one will be a very easy micro urban cache by where I work as a way for me to meet other cachers who are willing to stop by the cache. I plan on putting "coupons" in the cache that they will bring to me right after findinf it to get a small trinket and to meet them. The other cache will be in my Mom's backyard off of HWY 36 in Windlake once the foliage is back. It will be easy to get to, however it will be camo'd well. Since I work 6 days a week and so does hubby, we don't have a lot of time for caching, so for now the easy to reach are great.

Ok enough rambling...
Crystal
 
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NSLP#1
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Joined: 2005-09-19
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Please make sure that if you place a cache on private property that the neighbors are well informed about it, and even the local law enforcement. We had an unfortunate experience with a private propery cache because the neighbors did not know about it, nor did the local law enforcement. Had my wife not stayed in the car for it, we would have been confronted by an officer with his gun drawn in the middle of the woods.
 
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