The Wisconsin Geocaching Association

  Login or Register

Website Navigation

62.png Home

49.png Information Center
26.png WGA Newsletters
24.png Reviewer's Words
53.png Presentation Resources
39.png Geocaching Files
27.png Bookmarks
56.png Location Rules and Regs
49.png BOD Info Center

17.png Forums
16.png New Posts
20.png Unanswered Posts

calendar_day.png Upcoming Events
mapicon.png Map
29.png Calendar
11.png Submit Event

mapicon.png WGA State Park CachesNew content !

shield_star.png Cache of the Month
mapicon.png Past Winners Map

LonelyCache.png Lonely Cache Game
mapicon.png Current Map
26.png Scoreboard
11.png Submit Report

rescueiconsm.png Cache Rescue
11.png Submit a Mission

icon_community.gif Members
27.png Your Account
47.png Private Messages
contact_blue.png WGA Member Map
Geocaching_LIVE_poweredby_16.png GC.COM Authorization

icon_members.gif News
tree-T.gif Topics
tree-T.gif Archives
tree-L.gif Submit News

image_cultured.png Photo Gallery
tree-T.gif Updates
tree-L.gif Popular

shield.png Fun Stuff
28.png Recent Logs
TB.gif Picnic to Picnic TB Race Standings
TB.gif WGA Hauler

49.png Board of Directors
 
Contact Us

 
Facebook

Wisconsin Geocaching Association

 
Follow Us

Twitter Button

 
Subscribe to Newsletter

Subscribe to our mailing list

* indicates required
 
Geocaching.com Search
View Search Syntax
 
COTM
Winner -
June 2014 Northern Zone:
Forbidden Fruit

Winner -
June 2014 Northeast Zone:
Wildlife & Travel Bug Sanctuary

Winner -
June 2014 West Central Zone:
Pirates of the Roche-a-Cri

Winner -
June 2014 South Central Zone:
The Big "K"

Winner -
June 2014 Southeast Zone:
Whoomp! There It Is

Winner -
June 2014 Series of the Month:


More Info >>>

 
 
Wisconsin Geocaching Association: Forums
 

 

View next topic
View previous topic
Post new topic   Reply to topic
Author Message
GOJeepers
WGA Member



Joined: 2006-06-09
Posts: 109
Location: Madison, WI

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:58 am Reply with quote Back to top

I need the help of a reviewer. There is a cache here in Madison, Blackhawk Park (GC11DNR), that has been disabled since the beginning of April. I have posted 2 "Needs to Archive" notes and nothing has happened. Just to make sure, I checked the cache area last night and saw no signs of it...it is definitely gone.

What is the next step? Thanks!

Sara
 
View user's profile Send private message
GeoPink
WGA Member



Joined: 2003-11-01
Posts: 1682
Location: Manitowoc, WI

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Any "Needs to Archive" logs go directly to a reviewer for their attention.

If you've done that twice now, I have to believe that the reviewer has been in contact with the cache owner. Though if this is a cache that has been disabled for a while, our wga2 reviewer, Tie, will probably be sending them the "You've got 4 weeks to get this up and running or else..." Reviewer Note.

Also, double check that the logs you left were "Needs to Archive" and not "Needs Maintenance" as the latter only go to the cache owner and not reviewers.

Hope that helps... Good Luck!

_________________
- Jeff
Team GeoPink 
View user's profile Send private message
Wis Kid
WGA Friend



Joined: 2007-05-04
Posts: 16

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Everything Jeff states is correct, but people should understand that we now have a process for reviewing "long disabled" caches. Tie currently handles the "bad guy" role of informing the cache owners that they have a limited time to get their disabled caches back on line. I can tell you that this particular cache hasn't made it into the list yet. We are currently prioritizing caches that are 2 months disabled (or more). But if it stays disabled much longer, it WILL hit the list.

That said, there is really no reason to put an SBA on a disabled cache, as it is going to get addressed by the standard process. While it might not hurt if the hider is truly out of geocaching, someone who disabled the cache less than 3 months ago is very likely to be active and is also likely to be offended by your SBA logs. My experience has been that it is generally better not to make enemies unnecessarily.

There are several types of circumstances where an SBA log is appropriate (These are real examples)

- Cache is placed in the hider's front yard, who then moves away without disabling or archiving the cache. (We have a name for people who do this!)

- Cache is accidentally hidden on private property, and law enforcement is called to investigate a finder's trespassing.

- Cache is placed on a highway bridge that somehow slipped through the review process.

- Cache is placed in violation of the land managers geocaching policy and they are asking for it to be removed.

If you find a situation like this on an active cache, please contact the owner AND post an SBA. These situations require quick action. In less dire circumstances, it is not really necessary to post an SBA. Now if you have tried to contact the owner multiple times with no response, have posted no finds, and needs maintenance logs without response, and generally made lots of efforts to resolve the problem with the owner, you might want to post an SBA on an active cache. Normally, it doesn't have to go that far.
 
View user's profile Send private message
GOJeepers
WGA Member



Joined: 2006-06-09
Posts: 109
Location: Madison, WI

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:33 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The reason I placed the SBA is because this cache had been disabled for more than 2 months and the owner had not logged on since the day it had been disabled. Also, the cache owner had exactly one find and one hide. Seeing these things, I figured the cache owner was NOT a serious hider and most likely was never going to take care of the cache. I thought I was doing a proactive service by checking to see if the cache was there and trying to make sure the cache was on SOME ONE's radar. I guess I was wrong.

Rest assured, I do NOT post SBA notes lightly. This is the second cache I ever posted one on...the first had been disabled for more than 6 months. A quick SBA and the cache was archived within 1 day, voluntarily.
 
View user's profile Send private message
Buy_The_Tie
WGA Member



Joined: 2002-07-12
Posts: 2792
Location: New Berlin, WI

PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Have a look here: Long Disabled Cache Cleanup Policy

A cache needs to be disabled 3 months before it comes into the cleanup "system".

The policy is set up to be as flexible and forgiving to the geocache placer as possible. With that being said, I don't see an SBA on a cache like this accelerating the process any.
 
View user's profile Send private message
GOJeepers
WGA Member



Joined: 2006-06-09
Posts: 109
Location: Madison, WI

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:04 am Reply with quote Back to top

I apologize for not following the well documented procedure. The SBA logs have been deleted and I will continue to sit on my hands waiting for some one to take care of the cache. Next time I see a cache that is having problems that I could possibly help with I will simply put it on my ignore list and wait patiently for some one to notice there is an issue.
 
View user's profile Send private message
SammyClaws
WGA Member



Joined: 2007-04-27
Posts: 331
Location: Muskego

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Is there a process for archiving caches where there are deadbeat owners who refuse to do anything about a cache that is missing? There are some that are sitting out there and wont show up on any reviewer list until the owner disables them, but the caches are just as useless as there isn't anything to find and log. I would think there should be a process that goes around the owner to disable it, giving them time to repair/replace the cache or get archived.
 
View user's profile Send private message
Buy_The_Tie
WGA Member



Joined: 2002-07-12
Posts: 2792
Location: New Berlin, WI

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

SammyClaws wrote:
Is there a process for archiving caches where there are deadbeat owners who refuse to do anything about a cache that is missing? There are some that are sitting out there and wont show up on any reviewer list until the owner disables them, but the caches are just as useless as there isn't anything to find and log. I would think there should be a process that goes around the owner to disable it, giving them time to repair/replace the cache or get archived.


There isn't a perfect way to accomplish this. There are, however, two slightly less-than-perfect ways to get this done.

1. Post an SBA (Should Be Archived) note on the cahce page. Each SBA note goes to all of the reviewers in Wisconsin. Often, such a note will spur the cache owner to action in and of itself. If not, and the circumstances warrant it, the reviewer will get involved and (eventually) archive the cache if the owner does not respond. See the posting above that links to the "Long Disabled Cache Cleanup" policy.

2. Contact a Wisconsin reviewer directly. For now, the reviewer WGA2 handles this function.
 
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:       
Post new topic   Reply to topic

View next topic
View previous topic
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001-2008 phpBB Group
:: Theme & Graphics by Daz :: Ported for PHP-Nuke by nukemods.com ::
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
 
Forums ©
 
Legal Notice | Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Parental Consent Form | contact | Comments ]

All content © 2013 Wisconsin Geocaching Association, except comments and forum entries which are property of their posters.

The Groundspeak Geocaching Logo is a registered trademark of Groundspeak, Inc. Used with permission.
 


Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of the WGA Terms of Use


Distributed by Raven PHP Scripts
New code written and maintained by the RavenNuke™ TEAM


(Original PHP-Nuke Code Copyright © 2004 by Francisco Burzi)
Page Generation: 0.10 Seconds

:: fisubice phpbb2 style by Daz :: PHP-Nuke theme by www.nukemods.com ::
:: fisubice Theme Recoded To 100% W3C CSS & HTML 4.01 Transitional & XHTML 1.0 Transitional Compliance by RavenNuke™ TEAM ::

:: W3C CSS Compliance Validation :: W3C HTML 4.01 Transitional Compliance Validation :: W3C XHTML 1.0 Transitional Compliance Validation ::