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cheezehead
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:13 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Not sure how to word this so try to follow.
Can a cache and a waypoint be at the same location?
Do caches and wayponts have to be 528' apart?
What id they are for 2 different caches?
How close/far do waypoints have be from each other?
EG: There is a cache at point A. There is also sign at point A that contains info for stage one of field puzzle. Can they co-exist?
And no that is not a puzzle...yet.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I will give this a stab. I am certain the reviewers will clarify/correct me if I am incorrect.

on a single cache, the waypoints of a multi do not need to be 528' apart.

if a physical container is present(cache or waypoint), it must be 528' from any other cache or physical waypoint from another listing.

informational signs don't count as physical container, so I would believe that another cache/waypoint container may exist at the sign.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

labrat_wr wrote:
I will give this a stab. I am certain the reviewers will clarify/correct me if I am incorrect.

on a single cache, the waypoints of a multi do not need to be 528' apart.

if a physical container is present(cache or waypoint), it must be 528' from any other cache or physical waypoint from another listing.

informational signs don't count as physical container, so I would believe that another cache/waypoint container may exist at the sign.


Ok this is what's hanging me up. Can a seperate stand alone cache, be within "the 528' of a waypoint? Cuz from what you wrote, your disagreeing with yourself.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

two physical containers (cache or waypoint) cannot exist within 528' of each other unless they are from the same multi-cache.

so, no a separate, stand alone cache cannot be within 528' of a physical waypoint.

But since the informational sign is not] a physical container, there could be a stand alone cache stuck in the hole in the post.


I don't see where there is disagreement in my statement.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ah! gotcha! Was not on the same wave legnth. Key word container
Can not have a pill bottle containg clue /coords where a cache is, am I now reading that corrrect?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

HCH - That's an interesting question that I'm going to have to defer to the reviewers on.

I know of and have found caches where this is the case. One instance in Appleton is a multi where WP2 is inside another cache. WP1 says - Go to cache X. When you find cache X there's coords for the next (WP3) of the original cache. I also know of a bunch of puzzles where you need to figure out which cache contains the coordinates for the puzzle final. There may be different rules for multi's vs. puzzle and perhaps it's only allowed if you own both caches in question.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:59 pm Reply with quote Back to top

cheezehead wrote:
Ah! gotcha! Was not on the same wave length. Key word container
Can not have a pill bottle containg clue /coords where a cache is, am I now reading that correct?


yup, that's correct (or at least my understanding)

Now, CJ brings up a whole different circumstance. I will let the reviewers field that one. I have not come across that situation. I do suspect that in that one, you would need to own all the caches involved. Curious to know now which one CJ is referencing.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GC1CEV9
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

CodeJunkie wrote:
GC1CEV9


ah, I see. This looks like a "bonus" cache type idea.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

labrat_wr wrote:
CodeJunkie wrote:
GC1CEV9


ah, I see. This looks like a "bonus" cache type idea.

Actually there are 2 traditionals, a multi, and a final. The multi takes you to a cache un-connected to the 4 in the series and then it brings you back.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

CodeJunkie wrote:
HCH - That's an interesting question that I'm going to have to defer to the reviewers on.

I know of and have found caches where this is the case. One instance in Appleton is a multi where WP2 is inside another cache. WP1 says - Go to cache X. When you find cache X there's coords for the next (WP3) of the original cache. I also know of a bunch of puzzles where you need to figure out which cache contains the coordinates for the puzzle final. There may be different rules for multi's vs. puzzle and perhaps it's only allowed if you own both caches in question.


My puzzles. I won't get into interpreting the rules, but I checked with the reviewers before starting this series and got the OK. So I guess my answer is that if you don't know for sure contact the reviewers. I still do when I need a clarification and have almost 300 hides.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:06 am Reply with quote Back to top

I have a similar question. If a cache coordinates sends you to a sign and the sign sends you to another set of coordinates shouldn't It be considered a multi?

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GCQ8JA

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:23 am Reply with quote Back to top

Hardinfam wrote:
I have a similar question. If a cache coordinates sends you to a sign and the sign sends you to another set of coordinates shouldn't It be considered a multi?

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GCQ8JA


You can do it either way, but if there is no container it is better if it is a puzzle so the cacher is aware of it ahead of time in case they don't cache paperless.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:40 am Reply with quote Back to top

I have experienced a few unexpected multis. It's not the worst thing but I did kind of feel like I should have known from the beginning what I was getting into. I have also done several multis where the WPs were not 528 feet apart. One that I did was practically underneath the previous waypoint!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:45 am Reply with quote Back to top

beccaday wrote:
I have experienced a few unexpected multis. It's not the worst thing but I did kind of feel like I should have known from the beginning what I was getting into. I have also done several multis where the WPs were not 528 feet apart. One that I did was practically underneath the previous waypoint!


wWypoints within a multi do not have to be 528' apart, only 528' from any waypoint of another cache.
 
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