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Putterizer




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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:26 am Reply with quote Back to top

I'm curious if others may have run into a few different situations, so I am asking a few questions here.

Has anyone on here ever run into a cache hider that has admitted to moving the cache location around to different spots on the final because of cheating or an experiment? When I say cheating, I am referring to how one may call a previous finder and ask for a clue. A phone a friend if you will.
Check out logs from 3/4-6. http://coord.info/GC3BG5A

Also, have you ever gone out and hunted for a FTF and ever suspected that the cache may not even be planted in that location yet?
 
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Braid Beards Gang
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:35 am Reply with quote Back to top

Putterizer wrote:
Has anyone on here ever run into a cache hider that has admitted to moving the cache location around to different spots on the final because of cheating or an experiment? When I say cheating, I am referring to how one may call a previous finder and ask for a clue. A phone a friend if you will.


I have, because I am one. GC37XQF , I make it known it may move in the hint. It is a puzzle cache that I set up in a way that things can be altered slightly. This is intended to be a difficult cache and I wish to keep it that way.

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Curly Girls
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I adopted/own one (GC10P00) that moves. That is part of the fun of this cache, but it specifically notes the movement and the chance that it has moved from the hiding spot.
 
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labrat_wr
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:08 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Had a hard time following the logs as there was no punctuation or capitalization and the whole jist of what the cache owner was trying to say got lost in the midst of one really long drawn out run on sentence which made little or no sense to anyone trying to read it other than they were upset as people disclosing the location of the cache which may or may not have been a difficult hide just trying to figure out what the issue really was here.

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lone_gunman
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

So, the owner moved the cached to see who would replace it, then got mad when someone did?

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Putterizer




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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

We have been looking for answers from the CO and people have e-mailed him to explain himself, but he has chosen to not reply.

I think he has 2 issues with this particular one, but this is just a best guess since we cant get confirmation.

Issue 1 is he likes to place hard caches and doesn't like people giving out hints or using phone a friends. So after the FTF, he went and moved the cache from what he said in the log. He did this as an "experiment" to see how many people give out hints.

Issue 2 is that someone placed a replacement log for him. From what I understand, he placed two "containers". One had a log in a baggie behind it and another didn't. So he had a decoy per se. The decoy was not listed or marked as a decoy in any way. One finder thought this was the cache and then placed a log there thinking that they were doing the CO a favor by replacing a missing log sheet. He then got offended when someone added a log sheet because they didnt sign the correct one, however, the decoy was not marked as previously stated.

Also, as a point of reference, in case you folks from out of town don't know it, the cache I referred to in the earlier post was placed under a different name of a hider in the area that uses at least 3 different names to place caches.
 
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rcflyer2242
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:13 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Sounds to me like the CO needs to grow out of his diapers first. If he is sick of people trying to help a CO out then why is he still hiding them, not that he has a ton of them anyways. BTW what other names is he going by?
 
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Putterizer




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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

These are all by the same hider, just different screen names.

http://coord.info/GC3DQC6
http://coord.info/GC3BZB5
http://coord.info/GC3BG5A
 
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vtwinspin
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

First off the cache you are whinning about is my daughters G force1 and it was her desision to do this experment and it does prove that people just give away the location of hard caches because if they would have found it their name would be on the log This is intended to be a difficult cache and she wishes to keep it that way

futher more G force1 is my youngest daughter,passmhi is my wife,and agent K1 is my oldest daughter and they all like to cache if you don`t like our caches don`t look for them or quit whinning and I stand by her choice for this experment because I`ve done it too because of all the phone a freind and that freind just tell you where the cache is at if you post DNF or send me an email I will be happy to give you a clue but Im not going to just tell you where its at if you can`t find the difficult one don`t even look if you can`t handle the CHALLENGE
 
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vtwinspin
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

There id always a cache hidden before it is listed some people just can`t find them so they wait for other people to just give them the location
 
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rcflyer2242
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

vtwinspin wrote:
it does prove that people just give away the location of hard caches because if they would have found it their name would be on the log

Dude your full of - - - -. Think about what you wrote. Your excuse me her little game did not work. If it had then the names would be on the log like you state but they were not so nobody gave anything away. If a PAF helped another cacher find it big deal. You have no idea what was said over the phone. Quit playing games with cachers by moving it after it has been found. Dang its only a game so hide your cache and let it be, all people get is a smile so big deal.
 
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CodeJunkie
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I don't know the cache / cachers involved, but the following is just an example of a PAF I did just yesterday. The words aren't probably exact (my courtroom disclaimer), but you get the idea. This PAF situation gave away absolutely nothing and I was thankful to have somebody I could call for help. I even logged it like this in my log because I wasn't afraid to tell the CO exactly what happened (GC363X5)

Quote:

The conversation went something like the following:
Me: I need help with a cache
PAF: What? You have one of those GPSís donít you?
Me: Yes, but Iím lost.
PAF: How can you be lost?
Me: Iím missing the important part (i.e. the coordinates)
PAF: HMMM. Did you look at the maps?
Me: Yes, but Iím not quite sure but I do think one of them is xxxxxx
PAF: Any beacons?
Me: Well I just drove past what I think is the general area and saw xxxxxx.
PAF: Yep - I remember that beacon you'll be fine.
Me: (thinking / wondering - What the hell does that mean?)
Me: I drove past the other one also and saw xxxxxx, yyyyyy, zzzzzz.
PAF: HMMM? I think you'll find it.
 
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CodeJunkie
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:06 pm Reply with quote Back to top

My other statement on the whole situation is that the way others play the game may not be exactly the way you play the game.

People use PAF's, people share puzzle finals, people post spoiler photos, etc. It happens and there's nothing you can do about it.

It's a hard pill to swallow at times, but your actions of moving the cache don't speak any better than those that might use a PAF. Just accept it because it's going to happen.
 
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Todd300




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Posts: 2511
Location: Menominee, MI

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I was once given the location of a D5 puzzle final in Escanaba. But I choose not to find it and log it until I actually make the find - which I probably won't because it's a D5 after all. Hell, I could not even solve an easier puzzle in nearby Marinette. That's my nearest unfound cache right now and I gave up on the puzzle ages ago.

But back on topic, if CO's want to put out a tough cache, they need to expect previous finders to give out clues and such on where their cache is and just deal with it.
 
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slbens
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Joined: 2011-02-13
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Location: Mauston, WI

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I had a deleted find on one of the caches in question. I went with a group of cachers during our lunch break at a local event. No one at the event had previously found the cache. No one told us where it was. No one phoned a friend. We spent a fair amount of time looking high, low and everywhere in between. Finally one person had an aha moment and found a container. We pried it out but no log to be found. We thought it odd and debated on whether it was a decoy. No mention is made of a decoy in the cache description. We went inside the local establishment and talked to the owner. He had seen us searching and knew about caching. We asked him if he was aware of the cache and we told him what we had found. He verified that we were right. That said, we replaced the missing log and went on our way. Let's see...what did we get for our "cheating" ways. A smiley, a deleted log, but most of all a good time with fellow cachers and lots of laughs. There's no prize for the person that hides the most, finds the most, phones a friend, doesn't phone a friend, finds the most difficult, etc. Everyone plays their own game and challenges themselves in whatever way is suitable to them. I guess I could "whine" on longer but the best solution is to just use discretion when deciding what caches to search for.
 
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