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WISearchers
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Joined: 2002-12-23
Posts: 381
Location: Madison, WI, USA

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:37 am Reply with quote Back to top

Ok Today I'm picking on Cache Hiders. This is a light-hearted post; Please don't get bent out of shape.

Just so you know, a "1" Terrain does not involve bushwhacking. It also does not involve 6 foot high grass and marsh with cattails.

Some people might not get around as well as you do, and may not be able to traverse a bluff, tall grass, or trail-less woods. I’m not saying” every cache should be a 1 Terrain, but, I am saying, make your rating realistic. Use the Terrain Rating tool.. http://www.clayjar.com/gcrs/

I'm not complaining from a personal experience; I'm fortunate enough to be able to climb this or jump over that. But please do your geocaching community a favor by reconsidering your caches by asking your self, "Would a person in a wheelchair be able to find AND RETRIEVE this cache?" If not, then it's not a "1" Terrain.

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MajorBrat
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Joined: 2005-04-07
Posts: 303
Location: Silver Lake, WI USA

PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by WISearchers:
I'm not complaining from a personal experience...


When I grow up I wanna be a real boy! Eh'hem... Image
 
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OuttaHand
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Joined: 2003-05-19
Posts: 203
Location: Elkhorn, WI USA

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:28 am Reply with quote Back to top

OK -- if you're not complaining from personal experience, I will..

It is understood by most that a terrain rating of 1-star is supposed to be wheelchair accessible.
So to me, that means a 1.5-star terrain is, maybe, accessible by someone on crutches. At least, that's my thinking.

So here we are, I'm just recovering from a mild illness that kept me in bed for a few days. The weekend comes, it's gorgeous weather, and I'm antsy.

I pick a couple of caches that are 1.5 terrain because I'm still not feeling great.

We get to the first. The GPS takes me to the edge of a rather steep, grassy drop-off. The kind you don't go down without grabbing nearby branches. And the GPS says it's about 10' down that.
Well this is a 1.5 terrain! It can't be down there! So we search the edge of it.
Nope
After plenty of searching and not finding, gave up.

I e-mailed the owner honestly thinking it may have been gone. Later got a response that my GPS was right. It was down there.

Sorry ---- NOT a 1.5 terrain!
 
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PCFrog
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Joined: 2005-05-11
Posts: 728
Location: Sparta, WI

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:33 am Reply with quote Back to top

I so far had to opposite problem. I been on like two caches that I thought were rated to tough. I pick and chose caches based upon difficulty since I have a 5 & 7 year-old to think about. Now we defiantly done caches into the 4.5 area with no problem but we were prepared. SO it was somewhat disappointing when we think were heading out on a cache that is moderately difficult to find out that it was walking on a flat train the whole way but last 30 feet you walk off trail to get the hide, and that was easy as well.

For the most part I think people are rating just fine, but I done a limited area which typically have been placed by the same people. So hats off to them for gauging the difficulty correctly. Image

People will make mistakes but I would agree that a 1 – 1.5 is basically a walk in a park. My own cache, only have 1 so far, is rated at 1.5. A wheel chair can get around on the grounds for it is basically level, some changes but very gradual and kept cut. However, the cache is in a spot where a wheel chair could not easily access with out others help but a person on crutches could.
 
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marc_54140
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Joined: 2004-01-28
Posts: 2631
Location: Little Chute

PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Personally, I do not think most people who place caches can figure out the right ratings. Either too high or too low.

Occassionally a cache page will describe enough to you to tell you what the ratings really mean, so ....

I tend to ignore the ratings, and look at the locale once I get to the cache. Then make a decision.
 
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Timberline Echoes
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Joined: 2004-07-25
Posts: 2081
Location: Eagle River, WI, USA

PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:59 pm Reply with quote Back to top

A 1 means we can wear sandals.
A 2 or 3 means we need to wear tennis shoes.
A 4 means we need to wear an ankle brace with tennis shoes or hiking boots.
A 5 means we need to wear hiking boots or waders or borrow a friend's boat.
What's so hard about that?
Timberline Echoes
 
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Team Honeybunnies
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Joined: 2005-05-03
Posts: 1029
Location: Stevens Point,WI

PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:11 am Reply with quote Back to top

Awww. Come on guys, Sandals only on ones? I've worn mine all the way up through fours and fives, but my legs DO look like I stuffed them in a bag of wet cats. We enjoy the difficult terrain caches so for us it's more disappointing when the grade is over-inflated. When the grade is right on on a hard one it's oh so tasty. Haven't done any yet but I think I hear an Evil Monkey calling...
 
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CB&MB
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Joined: 2005-02-24
Posts: 385
Location: Silver Lake, WI

PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by Timberline Echoes:
A 1 means we can wear sandals.
A 2 or 3 means we need to wear tennis shoes.
A 4 means we need to wear an ankle brace with tennis shoes or hiking boots.
A 5 means we need to wear hiking boots or waders or borrow a friend's boat.
What's so hard about that?
Timberline Echoes



add these to the correct ones from above:

1...and jump rope while we grab the cache.
2 or 3...and leave our frisbees in the car.
4...while not chewing gum and rubbing our bellies.
5...with any of the Team Badger Members in tow for blazing trails, paddling the boat or taking the snorkel to the right location.
 
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Cachew
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Joined: 2002-02-23
Posts: 634
Location: Madison, WI

PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:54 am Reply with quote Back to top

I'll chime in to agree with WISearchers. Use the approved rating system mentioned. But don't call a '1' a '1' unless it really is wheelchair accessible.

Note that ratings can change throughout the season. I have originated some wheelchair accessible geocaches. Although they were accessible at that time, I am lucky to get logs that report these changes. I can either change the rating, or go and service the cache - like moving it slightly to maintain the rating I intended. (Of course, you need to pay attention to any significant change in coordinates, too.) I also get reports that feel that they are not accessible when they truly are – at least for my friend. Don’t underestimate the drive and stamina of the serious geocacher-on-wheels!
 
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