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russell_53040
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Joined: 2005-07-06
Posts: 84
Location: Kewaskum WI

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 8:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Just had to share this with you guys. Just recieved this email from one of the guys that posted on my event page. He is still holding strong on his opions but that is ok with me. He has that right to. Not going to put his name in there because I didnt ask him that part. Just ask if I should post the email part.
"
Hi,
> Thanks for your polite e-mail...some of them were not.
>
> I have deleted my note on the event...I should have minded my own
business.
> At this point I don't think anyone is going to changes anyone
else’s opinion on this so we can agree to disagree. However, in closing my
side of this disagreement I would like to make/clarify a few points.
>
> I love caching and 99 % of the cachers I have met. I also love the
numbers to me stats/numbers are important...and I know this applies to WI
cachers also...(you guys have the most detailed stats I have seen @ the
WI site). And if the numbers do not matter but the temp caches are
being logged to keep track and for a record...then why not log them as a
note or list all of the temps you found in your log of the event.
>
> Like it or not...it is not the same as cheating at solitaire or on
your golf score when playing alone. We are not playing alone...we are
playing in public and with others. If we did not have rules in life, games
and sports regardless of a prize or trophy where would we be? When I go
to New York or Washington D.C. the rule on escalators is "stand
right/walk left” it’s not a law but it makes life easer if people have a
set of rules...written or implied.
>
> I have also been told by one of your own that some of the WI events
have “Temp virtuals” and these are being logged as event finds also
(Spring Fling By greyhounder) (GCT9NZ)
>
> Last but not least I keep hearing if it was wrong "Jeremy" would stop
it...well here is what Jeremy said about it last year.....
>
> QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jun 6 2005, 10:00 AM)
> The point is irrelevant. Temp caches aren't allowed on the site. And
as I indicated in countless threads in the past, I think logging
attended twice for an event is stupid, and posting additional logs to "match"
whatever "count" you determined your numbers should be is equally
stupid. However I have no plans to be the point police and create
complicated rules for determining what counts as a find. That is up to the cache
listing owner to decide.
>
> However I do reserve the right to stop abuse on this web site, and
frown highly upon fake logs on archived caches (or any cache) just to
boost numbers here - such as counting finds on other listing sites. Just
because I don't want to be the point police doesn't mean I can't take
appropriate action against the users who decide to abuse the features of
this site.
>
> But as I also said before, I don't lose sleep over it. I stand by my
stance that there are no "points" for geocaching and no score to be
kept. The site does not keep score but simply offers a history of your
finds.
>
>
> Thanks for hearing my opinion...I wish you all well.
> Happy caching,
> David (GoBolts!)
>
> PS I will be caching in the east later this month...please do not
hunt me down and kill me. Wink
>
> PPS Please add this to the WGA thread
 
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Lostby7
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Joined: 2005-06-07
Posts: 3190
Location: Lake country area, WI

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think this last part my Jeremy really sums up the whole argument.
" But as I also said before, I don't lose sleep over it. I stand by my
stance that there are no "points" for geocaching and no score to be
kept. The site does not keep score but simply offers a history of your
finds. "
 
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Pto
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Joined: 2004-09-15
Posts: 56
Location: Frederic WI USA

PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

[quote=Jeremy]But as I also said before, I don't lose sleep over it. I stand by my stance that there are no "points" for geocaching and no score to be kept. The site does not keep score but simply offers a history of your
finds.[/quote]

This quote, in itself- TO ME - puts criminal or any other cacher the reason to "Close Thy Trap.... as my dad used to "try" and put it. The extra commentary is not needed at this point.

In all reality, I'd say F........ orget them.
I realize many of you don’t realize this,but I spend a majority of my caching time in WI - NOT mn. I really like the way THIS organization has gone since I became a cacher. Being a dual state citizen (tax payer) has enabled Me to see the quality of what an organization can become. Everyone Here deserves a Great Big Thank You !

A recent Lunch Bunch was hosted by 2 MN cachers. Does anyone wonder why? I sure don’t.

WI, especially now with geocaching - to ME - is "Heaven".
I got tired of typing at the big site-
Im My Opinion- to be short and sweet -
F......orget them. Enjoy yourself, and let the rest of the 'chaf' seperate itself from the wheat. This is Not an officially regulated "anything" You Will NOT be audited, so enjoy yourself at your own pace, and at your OWN enjoyment.

PS - I didnt make it to the last event, but tried- had some problems. . .. . Image

 
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kbraband
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Joined: 2002-02-19
Posts: 2461
Location: Mequon, WI US

PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:28 am Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by MajorBrat:
Hey Russell...no worries! The WGA camp out is this weekend. Once people start logging that, those watching what you're doing will forget all about you and start jumping on attendees of the camp out. Image


Too funny! But absolutely true.
Thanks for the laugh. Image

 
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LDove
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Joined: 2006-01-11
Posts: 575
Location: Wisconsin

PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:46 am Reply with quote Back to top

Yep, I went to bat for this thing over there yesterday and basically the "tally-wackers" drove me crazy. I found no "rule" or any banning of logging finds at cache events - so my 21 finds are staying. It would, however, be nice if they came up with a different login icon for event finds, also keep numbers separate, and yet allow you to log them to keep track. At this point, does not sound like that is gonna happen. I laughed too when I read about logging 55! That ought to really stir up the pot - yikes!

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"ARGH - I know it's here somewhere..."


[This message has been edited by lonesumdove (edited 05-11-2006).]
 
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sweetlife
WGA Board Member
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Joined: 2005-01-17
Posts: 2538
Location: Mountain, WI

PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2006 5:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

here is our 2 cents worth, One Geocache Page = one geocache GC number = ONE LOG

We are happy to see that many of the attendees of the campout logged this way.

Our finds are actual finds, That were approved by geocaching.com We guess that is why we havent attended a event, We are sure that the caches found are of good quality and took a lot of work to set up, but still they are only temporary.

We enjoy the fact that geocaching has taken us all over the US to many interesting places, that we would have never have known existed if it wasnt for geocaching. We would rather drive from cache to cache spending a full day enjoying this hobby together, rather than spending a day in a single state park looking for temporary caches. I guess with gas prices the way they are this might be a better idea, we still enjoy doing it our way and Kudos to all who logged once since you only attended the campout ONCE not 15 - 17 or more times.

Maybe Geocaching should do the same thing with event caches that they did with virtuals put them on another site.

We are sure this might stir up some controversy but we are not pointing fingers at anyone, just stating our opinion.

Sweetlife
 
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Green Bay Paddlers
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Joined: 2003-10-12
Posts: 346
Location: Green Bay, WI

PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

This is basically what I stated on the Geocaching.Com site:

One cache = One log

I'm not going to get caught up in what has a web page and what doesn't. Some multi's are allowed multiple logs, others don't. In the end, who cares?

If you find a cache, LOG IT! If for nothing else, it's fun to watch the alpha personalities get upset! Image LOL

 
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MajorBrat
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Joined: 2005-04-07
Posts: 303
Location: Silver Lake, WI USA

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:17 am Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by Green Bay Paddlers:
If for nothing else, it's fun to watch the alpha personalities get upset! Image LOL



LOL! Image

 
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LightningBugs Mum
WGA Member



Joined: 2004-09-26
Posts: 1604
Location: Fort Atkinson, WI

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:23 am Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by Green Bay Paddlers:
<snip> it's fun to watch the alpha personalities get upset! Image LOL




And here's an example!
http://www.geocaching.com/bookmarks/view.aspx?guid=5cde0436-d9d0-47e1-9122-4bb5c7b45c7e


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Team LightningBugs
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Lostby7
WGA Member



Joined: 2005-06-07
Posts: 3190
Location: Lake country area, WI

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:49 am Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by LightningBugs Mum:
And here's an example!
http://www.geocaching.com/bookmarks/view.aspx?guid=5cde0436-d9d0-47e1-9122-4bb5c7b45c7e


I think he need a less stressful hobby..

 
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LMcGisme
WGA Member



Joined: 2005-10-09
Posts: 151
Location: Brooklyn, WI USA

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by Green Bay Paddlers:
This is basically what I stated on the Geocaching.Com site:

One cache = One log

I'm not going to get caught up in what has a web page and what doesn't. Some multi's are allowed multiple logs, others don't. In the end, who cares?




What's the name of the website again, Housebrew something or other?

Obviously many people do care about find counts, otherwise there wouldn't be
A. Houseofbrew's website ranking the top 40 Wisconsin cache finders, and other similar geocache ranking sites and
B. People coming to the forums asking for the url to such a site.

I fall into the camp of 1 GC.com number = 1 cache = 1 found it log. Padding your Geocaching.com find count with finds that are not Geocaching.com caches does skew the listings - the rankings are not comparing apples to apples. It also throws suspicion on high find counts - did a team really go out and find 6000+ Geocaching.com caches, or did they just log single caches (such as an event) multiple times? If 1 GC.com number = 1 cache = 1 found it log, then there is no doubt about their great count. Allowing multiple finds throws doubt on what their real accomplishment was.

Also, how many multiple loggers protect your PC's from worms & trojans that steal disk space and cpu cycles? IMO your logging temp caches is the same thing as a worm or trojan, using the Geocaching.com servers to hold and process your non-geocaching.com cache logs. The Geocaching.com servers have enough trouble keeping up with the volume now.

Would you log your Terracaching.com or Navicache.com finds on the Geocaching.com site? If not why not? What's the difference between logging those finds on Geocaching.com and logging temporary, non geocaching.com caches on the site?


 
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Cathunter




Joined: 2003-09-10
Posts: 1263
Location: Bristol WI

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 4:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I fall into the category of not caring one way or the other. Geocaching.com has provided a handy place for people to find coordinates for geocaches. It is not geocaching. It is a database that has been posted for our use. No one has been prevented from logging temp hides on it, so those that choose to can do so.

Personally, I enjoy caching and have grown to find Internet logging to be more of a burden then a need. I'll log when I feel something needs to be said about a cache. Beyond that I hope everyone plays the game to their own liking, and is able to find that certain something they seek in doing so.
 
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LightningBugs Mum
WGA Member



Joined: 2004-09-26
Posts: 1604
Location: Fort Atkinson, WI

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

quote:
Originally posted by Cathunter:
Geocaching.com has provided a handy place for people to find coordinates for geocaches. It is not geocaching. It is a database that has been posted for our use. No one has been prevented from logging temp hides on it, so those that choose to can do so.


You hit the nail on the head Cathunter. There is no prize for having the highest numbers. GC.com hosts a database and they have rules for what kinds of caches are allowed in that database. Being able to log finds in their database is a service they provide to the geocaching community. But they have clearly stated that they are not the logging police and never will be.

If I find a quality temporary cache that I deem worthy of permanent status, which is the majority of them, then I will log it. I like my numbers to reflect what I have done out there with my GPSr. But now I wish I had the option of making my find numbers private. Not because I feel I've done anything wrong, but just to make the point that this is not a competition. My find count should be meaningful to me and nobody else.

Frankly, I'm used to being judged by the vocal self-rightous for refusing to conform to what they think is right. But when people like Criminal start calling me and my friends cheaters, it really starts to get my hackles up. (This comment is not directed at any specific individual participating in this forum.)
 
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Trudy and the beast
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Joined: 2002-07-26
Posts: 2375
Location: Milwaukee, WI, USA

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I fall into the category of cachers that wonder how 4400 posts on the gc.com forums and 320 caches found makes one an authority on how the game should be played.

Here is my take...
one plays a game for enjoyment.
if one finds temps enjoyable so be it.
if one does not find temps enjoyable don't do them.
If temps give one heartburn, find another game.
 
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GrouseTales
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Joined: 2002-02-18
Posts: 3399
Location: West Allis, Wi

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Boy some people really need to get a life. It's funny to watch people get bent out of shape and accuse others as logging "fakes" and "lies".

I drove 8 hours round trip, and about 400 miles, spent about $70 in gas to hide 6 "fake" caches. Did the same thing 2 weeks later to find about 10 "fake" caches. Geez, I could have saved myself a lot of time and money if I knew we only had to "lie" Image

 
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