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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I actually saw a lot of validity in pharmgirl's post so for most of mine I have gone and updated the bogus coords. My apologies to the reviewers if this causes undue work for you! Confused

Personally I actually like seeing my historic neenah series unstacked in the river rather than stacked. In areas like around downtown appleton it will probably be ugly and undesirable but in other areas unstacked seems to make sense and allow the "map viewer" type of cacher the ability to see "cache density" of the area they are perhaps finding themselves in while traveling. Considering many geocachers stay at the holiday inn in downtown Neenah (i see this mentioned in lots of logs on my neenah caches) I think it adds a bit to the argument for making them show on the map so they get a better picture of what's nearby. and they might just try out a puzzle...

I personally think this is a case of owner preference and each owner should be able to make the choice to stack or not and it can certainly be a decision that can take the area into consideration as well as the theme of that cache, puzzle makeup, and so on.

I am not a big fan of forcing a community ideal on others though.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

and by the way, the "system" let me move my bogus coords around more than 150 feet. I've also moved traditional caches more than 150ft without approval as well. I think there's more to the "algorithm" than just distance at work here. however, you should as cache owner check to make sure that the new bogus coords meet the same criteria as when you published before changing them. i.e. less than 2 miles, unsearchable location, etc.

as my bogus coords posting on my workshop says, you can add creativity to the choice so I would much rather leave it like it is then go to a system of "they're all the same" as astro-d mentions.

and the problem with calling a puzzle a "multi" when it looks like a multi is that there might already be a cache in the area but the puzzle cache creator would like to take the cacher to a plaque nearby and the "other cache" taking up space has nothing to do with teaching someone about the plaque or the area the cacher is in. doing so with a puzzle cache allows us this flexibility (a multi would be turned down most likely due to proximity). however, I rarely start a puzzle with bogus coords that are a starting point. I use a reference point instead. As soon as you start adding reference points rather than actual true waypoints it's no longer a multi under groundspeak parameters.

puzzle caches can be lot's of things and don't have to be desk puzzles all the time. that's the fun of the category: the variety! in fact, being a cache owner & creator, i pay attention to the likes and dislikes of area cachers and place a good fair mix of desk, field, and other types of puzzles. sorry for the off-topic comment/response...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:10 am Reply with quote Back to top

I'm seeing a solution and happy medium. I may be unstacking all of mine, but only by variants of 22'. They may not appear unstacked until you zoom in closer on the map.

For most people this unstacking isn't a big deal, but for me, just about every thing I come up with as a cache idea ends up turning into a series. I have more than 100 caches to unstack, so it may take me some time.

So, for those of you interested in this issue, take a look at the Laughing Waters series and tell me if you think that series of 12 caches, now unstacked, is an improvement and is the unstacked distance acceptable.

Some of mine I may not unstack because the final solution is based on manipulating the bogus cords, a topic that hasn't surfaced yet in this discussion. Not sure how many I have like that stacked on each other, but there are bound to be some.

Anyway, please look at downtown Menasha and provide feedback, good or bad.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

seldom|seen wrote:

Anyway, please look at downtown Menasha and provide feedback, good or bad.


looks okay to me. On the inital map view you can tell there is more there than one cache and it spreads out nicely when zoomed in.
Maybe a zigzag would be more appealing? Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:03 pm Reply with quote Back to top

labrat_wr wrote:
Maybe a zigzag would be more appealing? Smile


Pickey, pickey! Razz

Even zoomed out to 5 miles, it's apperant that there are multiple caches, but doesn't obliterate the entire map.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

seldom|seen wrote:

Anyway, please look at downtown Menasha and provide feedback, good or bad.

I was expecting a smiley face configuration..... Laughing
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Team Deejay wrote:
seldom|seen wrote:

Anyway, please look at downtown Menasha and provide feedback, good or bad.

I was expecting a smiley face configuration..... Laughing


Smiley no, wave of water, yes....
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:58 am Reply with quote Back to top

http://www.geocaching.com/map/default.aspx?lat=44.200817&lon=-88.450033
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:42 am Reply with quote Back to top

seldom|seen wrote:
http://www.geocaching.com/map/default.aspx?lat=44.200817&lon=-88.450033


very cool.

z

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Now there's a neat reason to unstack. I didn't realize there were so many...
 
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