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05/23/2006 at 11:07 pm #1720353
OK, I keep hearing that Magellan GPSr units do a better job of holding their signal under tree cover (as compared to, say, an Etrex Legend). When I look at their website, they don’t really promote this aspect of their units. At least with the Explorist series, they just kind of gloss over the antenna specifications of the unit. So, here is the question: Would I be able to detect an improvement in signal stability versus my Etrex Yellow (which this weekend was losing signal in a small pine grove in New Munster (High Brass stage 3), which is not exactly heavy foliage? And would the Explorist units have this advantage or is it only the older Meridian units? I have seen that the new Garmin x units have very good improvement in signal strength, but I am thinking I might want to try a Magellan if the improvement is real.
05/23/2006 at 11:43 pm #1741422I’ve owned 5 magellans and two garmins…. I would rather own a rock than another magellan. the most recent magellan I owned was a explorist 400, it had all the problems of the older models and some(I should say that this could have just been this unit)
going to a cache in a deep valley and heavy tree cover the explorist wasn’t putting me anywhere close, standing right on it our legendC was showing 12ft away, the 400 was showing 200ft away. owning older magellans I know about the overshooting problem, but even when I walked to where this unit thought ground zero was the unit never changed.
I checked coord system/datum, and also had newest firmware installed. turned off unit and went to the waypoint again, same problem…. so I checked coords and they were the same on both units. the next cache wasn’t in such a hole and the explorist found it just fine.
I did a comarison in poor signal enviroment marking the same spot with both units, coming back to that spot, the explorist was saying the spot was 80ft away, legendC only a few feet. put coords in from etrex into explorist and it was then able to find the spot. basicly to mark accurate coords I had to take TONS of readings with the explorist.
all the magellans I have used(about 10) have had very buggy firmware so they get strange behaviour… and the newer ones seem even worse.I will say the only advantage the explorist has is the file system/geocache manager, but if it can’t get me to the right spot that doesnt even matter.
if you want better signal in the woods just buy a newer color garmin. the color etrex models get 100X better reception than the older ones. I just sent back that 400 wilderness bundle for another garmin.[This message has been edited by hogrod (edited 05-23-2006).]
05/23/2006 at 11:47 pm #1741423I should also say read on the goecaching.com forum about how poor magellans customer serivce is, and I can say they are as bad as people say(at least now they are)
garmin will even replace heavily damaged/out of warrenty stuff so any extra cost is justified. I even read about a guy who drove over his 60cs and garmin told him to send in all the peices, and they sent him a new one.EDIT: I’m sure others have had better luck than me, or at least I hope they have. the best magellan we owned was the meridian gold, but having three at the same time it was strange how different each one acted, even with the same firmware.
[This message has been edited by hogrod (edited 05-23-2006).]
05/24/2006 at 2:56 am #1741424I will always speak up for Magellans… When I first started caching, I didn’t want to buy a whole dang GPSr so I looked at a craddle unit fo rmy Palm m515. Magellan made one and it got me to my first 96 caches.
While perched on the side of a cliff signing the log for the Door County challenge final, I realized I needed to get something a bit more rugged as I’d almost smooshed the thing between rocks and myself several times.
I bought a SporTrak Map. I wish I could say I found every cache I hunted with that thing, but then again I don’t think anyone can… Yeah the Maggys have an overshoot issue. But you get used to it. And I always, always, always have a better, stronger signal than the garmin folks who are stopped behind me cursing their unit and wondering why they can’t get a decent lock…
After Over two years of faithful service, my Map got a crack in the screen… still works, I just needed a reason to get something bigger and better. Enter the eXplorist XL.
The largest screen rugged GPSr on the market. I love it. Admittedly It is lacking a few features I would have like to have seen, but for the screen size and the mapping and limitless memory on the SD card, I can’t go wrong. As far as signal goes… I was getting a strong WAAS signal and 11 satelites inside the Welckers Shelter at Penninsula on an overcast day. Beat that Garmin.
I will agree wholeheartedly that Magellan Customer Service needs to be returned to this hemisphere. “Rita” was not alot of help when I had a software issue with my MapSend 3D. As far as Magellan replacing a GPSr that go trun over by a car… well… Magellan users are usually smart enough that we don’t run our GPSr’s over with our cars. Duh.
I’ve not had a problem with Magellans and will stick with them as long as I’m happy with them. I did do alot of researching and reading and checking prior to deciding to purchase the eXplorist XL. I even had a couple of Garmin’s pegged as possibilities. But in the end, I’m sticking with a sure thing.
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05/24/2006 at 5:26 am #1741425My first GPSR was a Magellan SporTrak Map. I used it with NO PROBLEMS until Bob bought me a Garmin w/ turn-by-turn directions. I still love my Magellan and we take it with us to all our outings. When it comes time to walk under a lot of cover…out comes the Magellan! When we need a stronger compass reading…out comes the Magellan. When I just want to pick on Garmin users for..well…for being Garmin users…out comes the Magellan.
I can’t say what others have done, some have had good and some bad experiences. But, for me, the Magellan has always been great!
MB
05/24/2006 at 6:44 pm #1741426We both use Megellans and like them. We have not tried a Garmin to compare. We did have one problem with the first one once and sent it into the company and they reloaded the software and we have not had a problem since. We have noticed that sometimes one may lock into the satelites better than the other when we are just a few feet from each other, but we rarely loose a signal.
Timberline Echoes05/24/2006 at 11:06 pm #1741427Thanks for the replies, folks. I wasn’t trying to start a flame war, however. I should have stated that I was looking for commentary from people who have used both brands (or other brands as well). Summarizing, it sounds like Magellan’s standard unit can get about the same reception as the Garmin x units at a lower cost, but they also appear to have some significant quality issues and poor customer service, which is NOT a good combination. I still have to think about it some more. Thanks again for all the input.
05/24/2006 at 11:23 pm #1741428I’ve used both Garmin & Magellan. I’d say it’s a horse a piece. Both have good points and bad. I like Magellan’s rapid satellite lock, but I dislike its overshot when geocaching. Obviously, I don’t like how long Garmin takes to lock on to birds, but I get great accuracy.
Buy what makes you happy! Try out all kinds before you buy!
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There are no shortcuts to any place worth going05/25/2006 at 12:48 am #1741429even though I had quality issues before with magellan, the great signal lock(works great in your pocket)& file system made me order the explorist 400 wilderness bundle. with the rebates on all the magellans right now the $250 bundle was only going to be $200 after rebate…. a great deal if you ask me, if it would have been a working unit.
I am happy to say I ordered the bundle from tigergps, and they let me return the bundle no questions asked even though I had opened and used the bundled topo software. I ordered a 60cx to replace the 400, hopefully it gets & holds signal as good as a magellan, to bad it was way more money than I wanted to spend.
I hope I wasn’t being to negitive toward magellan with my posts before, I really wasn’t trying to scare you off. If you get a chance try one, you might like it.
05/25/2006 at 2:32 am #1741430I have Garmin Etrex Legends and Magellan 600s. As others have said, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. I would take either of these units over a Yellow Garmin Etrex any day, as for me a GPS is of little use without detailed maps.
I’d be willing to loan you a 600 for a couple of weeks if you are interested.
05/25/2006 at 4:12 pm #1741431Cathunter, I would love to take you up on your offer, even though I am more likely to go for the 500 (my $10 Silva compass works just fine, thank you!) I probably don’t need to borrow it for 2 weeks. Just a couple days would let me determine how well the signal holds in the woods. I have to say that I was amazed at the difference of the 60CSx I had for a couple days. I could get 8 foot accuracy in the house in around a minute on a cold boot. Unfortunately, that unit was defective and scared me away from Garmin. It sounds like they have gotten their act together on these units now (on the gc forums). So now I just have to decide what is best for me. I will send you an email through gc.com.
06/06/2006 at 8:50 am #1741432@Team Deejay wrote:
… Summarizing, it sounds like Magellan’s standard unit can get about the same reception as the Garmin x units at a lower cost, but they also appear to have some significant quality issues and poor customer service, which is NOT a good combination.
??? I’m confused! Before this post, there was only one person who didn’t appreciate his Magellan. Most of the people who commented stated that they liked the satellite locks on Magellan’s better than Garmin’s. Also, didn’t the one who returned his get a new brand, and the ones who had problems later got the same unit in exchange (which they are happy with). As for customer service…when’s the last time you heard anyone talk about getting their Garmin fixed for free? If Magellan’s tech service can’t help you over the phone they send you a label to mail your unit to them. Once they figure out the issue, they let you know the cost of repair before fixing it. Plus, when they send it back they send little surprises along for free. The last two people (which were over a year or two ago) who I heard got their units fixed, never paid a dime! So, try them out and see for yourself which you like better. Me, I’m sticking to my Garmin for turn-by-turn and my Magellan for signal lock at the cache sites!
06/06/2006 at 5:21 pm #1741433@MajorBrat wrote:
@Team Deejay wrote:
… Summarizing, it sounds like Magellan’s standard unit can get about the same reception as the Garmin x units at a lower cost, but they also appear to have some significant quality issues and poor customer service, which is NOT a good combination.
??? I’m confused! Before this post, there was only one person who didn’t appreciate his Magellan. As for customer service…when’s the last time you heard anyone talk about getting their Garmin fixed for free?
The rubber came loose off the sides of my legendC, called garmin was on the phone for 10minutes before I got an RMA number to send it in. I was never asked to prove where I bought it, or when, or ever told I had to pay to get it fixed. they sent me a brand new(in the box) unit and sent it next day air, so I was only without it for 6days.
I beleive Team Deejay was listening to what I said about Magellan quality sucking because I actually compared the magellan to something, not just rave about how good I think magellan is. obviously I must have liked magellan enough to keep buying them, though if I ever bought another magellan I would buy one of there older units because the newer ones seem to have more quality issues. If you get a good magellan don’t ever get rid of it, I made that mistake with one of the meridian golds we had.(it’s pretty sad that only 1 out of 6 didn’t have some issue, and the only one working good was bought off ebay)heres a list of handheld gps recievers I have owned.
magellan(previously owned)
sportrak map x1
meridian gold x2(bought second one off ebay)
explorist 200 x1
explorist 210 x1
explorist 400 x1garmin(currently own)
legendC x2(first one replaced by garmin)
60cx x1as you can see I have owned way more magellan than garmins. I really do hope others have better luck than I did.
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