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    I have a question for anyone… I have been to a cache recently which I thought was a very dangerous trek. It never mentioned how bad the area was… people on thier logs I think were being kind and never mentioned how really dangerous it was, except for one getting a nail in thier shoe. A person in my group ended up with ripped pants from barbed wire hiding among the brush. It mentioned to bring your dog along because it is in a dog park. I am so glad I didnt because I am positive we would have been taking a trip to the vet afterwards. No one else seemed to voice concern… should I walk away and forget about it? Or should I mention to someone to check out this cache? In my opinion all caches should be “kid-friendly” because many people have thier children with them. Unless warned ahead of time they could be walking into danger. I am all for a challenge, but I do not like to risk my life or my health or my husband’s or dog’s either..

    #1745570

    Personally, I’d try to contact the cache hider via email. It is possible that conditions have changed since the cache was first placed. It is also possible that the hider took a different route in and didn’t encounter the dangers you found. It is also possible the hider didn’t consider them to be as dangerous as you. Of course it is also possible the cache hider is out to get us…

    Steve K

    #1745571

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    Originally posted by SkreeminWeezul:
    …should I walk away and forget about it? Or should I mention to someone to check out this cache? In my opinion all caches should be “kid-friendly” because many people have thier children with them.


    When you post your find, yes, you should mention a danger you encountered so others can be aware of it. However, I don’t agree that all caches should be kid-friendly. Yes many people have their children with them, but many do not. The responsibility for judging whether or not to hunt a particular cache is always up to the cache hunter. The cache placer’s description of the hunt is just one tool cachers can use to make their decisions. There are also the topo maps to look at the terrain, the descriptions from other cachers, and if those things don’t give a complete enough description, upon arriving at the start of a cache trailhead, you always have the option of turning around and going somewhere else. But if you do, please post so others know why you made that decision.

    #1745572

    Well, we did sort of do that. It wasnt the terrain or the difficulty of the hunt that bothered me. It was walking through rusted out abandoned cars, tires, trucks, whiskey bottles, antifreeze bottles broken beer bottles… that sort of stuff that turned us away. It was in a dog park and tells you to bring your dog along. Well, when we ran across the hidden barbed wired in the brush I am glad my dog was at home… although my husband got the brunt of the wire! Fortunately it was only his pants that got ripped. I agree… not all should be kid-friendly… but, I think this one goes a little beyond where a cache should be placed… or at least a little warning that you are going to be traveling through a car cemetary where drunks hang out.

    #1745573

    Geocaching in itself is not necessarily kid friendly though many caches are aimed to be that and several of us have tried to put such intentions in the description or by using special icons or graphics, such as what Should Have Bought The Tie has been doing. But even with that, anytime there is not an obvious path or trail that is maintained by some entity, unknown hazards must be expected. When bushwhacking is necessary, the cacheowner cannot know every direction a hunter might enter or the hazards that must be watched for. I’ve come across my share of barb wired scratches and other trips and slips. Just got a bit of a poison ivy rash last Sunday for the first time in years. Ruined a $400+ leather motorcycle coat from thorns. My point is to expect unknown hazards and if intending to take younger children on a hunt, search the descriptions and ALL the logs for comments showing that you might want to pass this one up. Also avoid new caches until a few logs are posted to reflect the general conditons. Most important, don’t give up! The hobby is still relatively new and evolving. I also suggest that you post your comments on the geocaching.com bulletin board under geocaching.com discussion. The more comments they have about kid friendly caches, the more likely they are to put something in the cache page that can be used to show good or bad caches for the young ones.


    Steve Bukosky
    Waukesha

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    Ray

      This topic is an excellent one for the consideration of every member of our community. To answer Skreeminweezul’s question, each of chooses to accept the risks associated with a cache when we use the web pages to set out on that hunt. Each of us is free to abort our search at any time we feel the risks outweigh the rewards of that search. It is easy to forget that we assumed the risks we have and difficult to learn to turn away from an incomplete search. The most important point here is that if you feel the risks are out of line, then include that in your logs.

      Keep on caching and keep it fun.
      tb

      #1745575

      I agree that all caches are not for everyone. I think at times, all of us are kind in our comments on the various caches so as not to offend those who placed them.
      My thought is – if the cache has some hazards – post them.
      Cortaid takes care of the poison ivy, nettles only sting for about 15 minutes, my tentnus is up to date, I know I shouldn’t wear shorts geocaching but I do and when I get to a cache that only a fool would attempt…… It always seems that the fool logs a find .

      #1745576

      Tetanus! Thanks for the reminder… I have to get that taken care of! They should offer a discount to Geocachers!!

      #1745577

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      Originally posted by SkreeminWeezul:
      In my opinion all caches should be “kid-friendly” because many people have thier children with them. Unless warned ahead of time they could be walking into danger. I am all for a challenge, but I do not like to risk my life or my health or my husband’s or dog’s either..


      What? Are you some sort of Volvo driving soccer mom? I suppose your kids have to wear a knee + elbow pads and a helmet to ride their bike down the driveway. Nothing is 100% safe, you could get a scratch or 2 geocaching or maybe step in a Cleveland Steamer left by some mutt, but I don’t think you will be risking your life! It’s not like you are going bungee jumping, skydiving, playing golf cart chicken, or bull tipping. Most caches are in parks so there is going to be litter, that’s why they have the “cache in, trash out” program.
      I don’t think all caches are “kid friendly” either. I’ve read about some that need scuba gear, rock climbing equipment, and even bug spray! Somebody better report these to Oprah and Dr Phil so they can warn their brainwashed sheep.

      #1745578

      I dont think my question warranted such anger. The cache I am referring to takes you into an area that is loaded with rusting out cars, tons of old rotted tires, broken whiskey bottles, abandoned antifreeze bottles and barbed wire hidden in the tall grass. No, I didnt make my kids wear elbow pads… my one daughter is proud to be a soldier btw. I just think there should be more description in the context so you can make a choice before getting out there, especially if you have kids and/or pets along.

      #1745579

      I agree that comments attacking you for your comments are unwarranted. I think everyone else was just trying to offer opinions and be funny so please take no offense at the one that seems a bit too personal – I am sure that they probably have not done the cache in question.
      For those of us that have done it, yes it does have some hazards that my caching group did not anticipate that day. We considered not doing it but we were already there – what else can I say .
      I have always thought some standard warnings if hazards are present should be included in the cache description but if not I always try to leave them in my comments on the cache.
      Thorson once told me that geocachers are nice friendly people and he is correct from all that I have met.

      #1745580

      I remember that area well.. (smiles at JThorson for taking us on a mile long journey) been there several times and I’ve seen a lil improvement (hopefully because of other geocachers).. but I still have the tennis shoes with the soles all slashed up by the broken glass. But.. on a cool note.. my last trip out there was when I discovered a 1960 Wisconsin Truck Lic Plate in great shape.. it now hangs on my garage as a memory.

      I don’t understand why someone would come down on you for your concerns.. don’t worry, I felt the same way about why they’d have a dog park so close to such a ‘mess’ in the woods.

      ~The Lil Otter

      #1745581

      Just to show that you can’t take anything for granted, I just came from two advertised family friendly caches. Short walks and playground gear nearby. I had my grandson, Joshua with me and was saving these for him. While just a few feet off a bark trail, I spotted a short 2X4 with long nails pounded through them! It was nails down, fortunately, but I recognized it for what it was and ”trashed it out”. Just got in from the garage from pounding them over and tossing it in the trash.

      The good news is that this is only the second time in over 400 caches that I’ve found this. The first time was at ”Country in the City” where someone was trying to flatten ATV tires.


      Steve Bukosky
      Waukesha

      #1745582

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      Originally posted by SkreeminWeezul:
      I dont think my question warranted such anger.


      I was just trying to be funny, but I guess when put in writing my thoughts seemed harsh. If I was talking in person you’d see I was just teasing by my gestures and stuff. I didn’t mean to appear angry, so I apologize for that. I guess I should try the cache in question before I open my cake hole. I feel like Limp Biskit’s Fred Durst at the Grammy’s when he said, “Are we all in agreeance we want this war to end…”
      He got ripped and humiliated for weeks about “agreeance” not being a real word.

      BTW I was at this park for the fireworks on July 4 with some friends and I don’t remember seeing no abandoned cars or broken glass. There were enough mosquitos to leech a water buffalo though! And my friend Snot almost blew off his little pinky with a home made M-80. What an idiot.

      #1745583

      The cache is not actually in the park persay… it is behind the park. It appears to be an abandoned farm or something like that. We went out twice to find the cache. First time we just encountered the trashed cars and tires. The second time was when we got caught with the barbed wire. We were glad that our dog tried to start a fight the day before with another dog and this day we left her at home. All I was curious about was should something be said if a cache is too dangerous. I have put a few caches one more dangerous we pulled it. Now we found out another has bees by it. Guess you just cant win and have to play the game as is! I went out last weekend to place a cache, my husband stepped on a ground hive and I got the bees chasing me. My legs look like a dot to dot with all the stings… thank goodness I am not allergic! Anyway… we backed out of that area and walked away with the cache in hand.

      So, to answer your first question… no, I am not a soccer mom… my kids hated it. I do not drive a Volvo… a CRX is more my fancy. Helmets and pads? Naw… only if they wanted to… my daughter thought they looked cool… but that was when she was in grade school… she is now in the ARMY and wear all sorts of gear and does all sorts of things.

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