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    I see a lot of cache descriptions that state something to the effect of, “Please put the cache back exactly as you found it.”

    I used to put this on my cache pages too, but I no longer do. Here’s why. I discovered that caches can slowly “creep” out from their original hiding positions because of the in-and-out, finding-and-hiding action of several cachers. This became very clear to me when I first checked on my cache, “The Shocking Truth About Henry.” One person leaves it 2 inches forward from its original position, the next person, trying to match the exact position, accidently leaves it another two or three inches forward. After several cachers visit, this process causes it to be left nearly a foot out from its original position, and that left it in the open and easily visible — all because each cacher is reluctant to “conceal” the cache because they are simply following instructions to replace it “exactly as they found it.”

    I’ve found that the solution is to describe on the first page of the log book or somewhere in the cache how the container should be re-hidden. On the cache page you may state something such as “PLease be sure to conceal the container completely after you find it.” You may even want to include a photo inside the cache showing how it is to be hidden. That way there’s no doubt about whether it should be partially exposed, completely hidden, or out in the open.

    What about the rest of you? Have you run into this problem? If so, what’s your solution?

    [This message has been edited by kbraband (edited 12-30-2003).]

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    Ray

      We have seen it as well. Rottenstump wound up being in a different place twice during it’s tenure in Highland Woods. It was a challenge to do cache maintenance because it wasn’t where we left it. I am sure there was no malicious intent by it’s finders. The simply found better digs for the cache in the same neighborhood.

      With some caches, the placement can be mor critical. It can actually have a significant impact on the difficulty. Diamond in the rough is one of those caches. If the first WP is not replaced exactly as it was originally placed, the difficulty could go from a rating of one to five. We have seen both situations. We have resorted to rechecking it after every find. Since it is only about three miles from our home, this isn’t really a problem.

      A photograph in the cache may have helped with Rottenstump, but this would be difficult with a micro. Some micros can be placed in a manner that there is no concern at all… Where’s Waldo or Bird on a wire – Detroit.

      Some caches are more sensitive to placement than others. The cache owner is the one who has to decide on the level of vigalence required to maintain it’s integrity.

      tb

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      I’ve just discovered the same dilemma on my first cache. With 7 micros for legs, it leaves plenty of opportunities for unintential adjustment. Keeping a watch on the logs I learned of one being found laying in the open. I’m sure we’ve all encountered that situation at on time or another. Going out the next day to check on everything I found that four of them were moved to some degree or another. One of my thoughts is to use a fixed wire holder that they can sit in, which may remedy this problem. Recently I saw an ammo box that was attached to a tree with a steel cable to prevent it from being stolen, but it also serves to keep it where intended. Just my $.02
      Bob

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