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12/16/2003 at 5:45 am #1721148
I was thinking of a series of caches where the first finder would receive $100.00 (based on 10 players) This would be a multi-cache/geo-dash. The concept goes something like this:
- Geocachers would meet at a predetermined location at a set date and time.
- Those wanting to play would each put $10.00 in the pot/purse. Entries would be limited to X amount of teams.
- All players would be given a sealed envelope with the coordinates for the first stage. Player would start at the same time.
- There would be approximately 10 caches, or coordinate tags, spread out over a large area. The tags would each require driving to a different park, possibly in a different county. Each tag would have the coordinates for the next cache.
- It would take the better part of the day to find all the caches, but WOULD be completed on the day of the event
- At the final location, there would be a code word and my cellphone number. The first person to call in the password, would win the all the money. 10 teams would equal $100.00 prize.
- The series would NOT be listed on Geocaching.com. The real challenge of the adventure will being able to quickly determine the next cache location, and navigating city streets to get you there.
If there were enough teams competing, you could split the purse 70/20/10. First finder gets 70% of the purse, 2nd place gets 20%, and 3rd gets 10%
What do you think? Anyone takers?
“There are two kinds of hunting: ordinary hunting and grouse hunting.”
-Aldo Leopold, A sand county AlmanacBrian
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12/16/2003 at 6:35 am #1746273Hmmm, very interesting. You may have some work to do to prevent players from tripping on each other. If there are road miles involved [and there are], there needs to be a way of assuring that speed laws are adhered to; perhaps a bicycle course. A cash prize suggests the State may have an interest in the activity; a coveted prize may be more acceptable in their eyes.
12/16/2003 at 6:40 am #1746274All I can see is the end of the movie Rat Race!
Sounds like a good idea. If there was a total payout and nobody makes anything off of it I would have no problem with it.
There should be a 1 vehicle rule or people would get a couple vehicles and be relaying the next step via radio or cellphone to get an unfair advantage.
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http://www.cachechasers.com12/16/2003 at 1:48 pm #1746275For $10? I’d be in!
Maybe have people bring door prizes as well for the other finishers…
12/16/2003 at 2:54 pm #1746276Why not conduct it all in one location with no motorized vehicles allowed? Better for everyone’s safety, health, and the environment.
12/16/2003 at 3:01 pm #1746277In no way do I plan to make any money off the dash. ALL money would be returned to the participants. The fee would be $10.00 per team/vehicle. The winning team would need to decide how they want to divide the money between themselves.
Besides speeding, some problems could be having multiple teams searching at the same time. The emphesis would be on navigation skills to find the quickest route. The markers could be drivebys, or short hikes. I wasn’t planning on making the markers too difficult to find. Having difficult finds would lengthen the amount of time that teams would be searching, thus increasing the likelyhood of multiple teams colliding at the cache.
There would probably need to be a rule to address a situation where several teams are searching at the same site at the same time. Say, if one team finds the cache, the next team needs to wait 2 minutes before they can look at the coordinates. This would give the first finders a short headstart.
Perhaps another variation on the game would be similar to our August picnics. There could be 10 caches, each with a stamp. The first team to return with stamped evidence of all 10 finds, wins the purse. In this 2nd variation, participants could find the caches in whichever order they prefer.
If there is snow cover on the ground, the first finder has the greatest disadvantage. Subsequent finders will be able to follow tracks in the snow. This is one reason for the “tags”. They could be affixed behind a sign, in a parking lot.
When approving caches, I see a lot of ideas bounced around. There are quite a few out there that like the challenge of being first finders, or first to complete a series. In the GC.com forums, a lot of people ask if there are ever caches with large sums of money. It seems that this race could appeal to both groups. By winning, you might afford to upgrade to that new GPS you’ve been wanting.
As I mentioned, this wouldn’t be submitted as a GC.com cache. It would be open to participants who hear about it by word of mouth. This is just a personal idea I thougth of and isn’t a WGA board sanctioned event.
12/16/2003 at 3:20 pm #1746278quote:
Originally posted by kbraband:
Why not conduct it all in one location with no motorized vehicles allowed? Better for everyone’s safety, health, and the environment.
This has some merits for reasons you mentioned. Some down falls are similar to our picnics, people stacking up at the caches. This also turns it into more of a physical race, similar to orienteering. People would need to run from cache to cache. Many cachers, myself included, are in no shape for running through the woods in cold weather (or any weather ). With colder weather approaching, it may be too cold to spend all day running through the woods. With a driving course, you would have plenty of time to warm up. There would be a “snow date” in case we had a big snow storm the day of the dash. I would be a bad idea to have people driving on slippery roads.
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12/16/2003 at 4:56 pm #1746279You could also do it like the planets at the Picnic, having to come back to the origin each time. That way you avoid people stumbling over each other at different waypoints. If there are ten teams, maybe have 12 waypoints so there are always two waiting.
12/16/2003 at 4:59 pm #1746280OH! OH! Maybe the day after the event you could post all the waypoints on the geocaching site and everyone else could search it for finds!!! Not that numbers matter.
12/16/2003 at 5:28 pm #1746281Any way you look at this, it is an event. I don’t see any reason why it couldn’t be posted as such on gc.com. Limited enrollment could be noted there as well. Enrollment fees have been posted in the past but I’m not sure that cash prizes have been. If interest is great enough, multiple mother/satelite stations could be set up.
jm2c ~tb
12/16/2003 at 6:08 pm #1746282While this is obviously an event of some sort, it doesn’t qualify as GC.com event. From the guidelines:
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Event Caches
Event caches are gatherings for geocachers by geocachers to discuss geocaching. After the event has passed, the event cache is archived. While a music concert, a garage sale, a ham radio field day or an orienteering event might be of interest to a large percentage of geocachers, such events are not suitable for submission as event caches because the primary focus of these events is not geocaching and the primary attendees are not geocachers. In addition, an event cache should not be set up for the sole purpose of drawing together cachers for an organized hunt of another cache or caches. Such group hunts are best organized using the forums or an email distribution list.
For geocaching events that involve several components, such as a day-long group cache hunt that also involves a seminar and dinner, only a single event cache covering all components should be submitted.
I suppose we could leave a traditional cache in place at the final coordinates. This cache could be put on-line after the dash and those attending could log the final. For those not participating in the initial dash, the would be able to log one find for the final cache. There would need to be a log book at each stage in order for them all to be claimed as finds. I’m not interested in leaving log books, except for possibly the last stage.
12/16/2003 at 7:00 pm #1746283I can’t say I would run someone over to get $100
but throwing in $10 for the fun of it would be fine.
Just a thought – why not have each team competing hide one cache within a 10 mile range and everyone turn in sheets with the coords of their cache and first one back with a record of all the finds (codewords?) would win the $100 and everyone else could record the finds of this “event” and collect their caches after the event and possibly leave one cache as a permanent one after the event. This way everyone could start wherever they liked.
Whatever – something different always sounds like fun to try. Bring it on.12/16/2003 at 11:36 pm #1746284quote:
Originally posted by GrouseTales:
This has some merits for reasons you mentioned. Some down falls are similar to our picnics, people stacking up at the caches. This also turns it into more of a physical race, similar to orienteering. People would need to run from cache to cache. Many cachers, myself included, are in no shape for running through the woods in cold weather (or any weather ). With colder weather approaching, it may be too cold to spend all day running through the woods. With a driving course, you would have plenty of time to warm up. ]
I don’t want to douse cold water on anyone coming up with fun ideas. Brian is a good friend and I hope my speaking out on this is taken as an honest airing of opinions and not a butting of heads. That being said, personally, I don’t like the idea of racing to a bunch of geocaches at all, whether it’s by SUV or skateboard, and especially not for money. However, I also recognize that many geocachers are deep into the competitive aspects and the numbers, so it’s fine if you want to organize this as a private non-WGA event for those people as you stated. Just understand that what you’re describing is a road race and that carries all the potential safety issues that go along with racing on public streets.
12/17/2003 at 2:24 am #1746285I think it’s a great idea, and would even propose “upping the antie”. People make their own choices as to how they are going to drive, climb, jump, etc. everyday, and it is not an issue. Make it so that it would be unlikely for 2 teams to ever be racing to the same cache; take the word “Geocaching” out of the game as to not upset the others & let’s go play!
12/17/2003 at 6:08 am #1746286No offense taken Ken, although I’m still trying to thaw out from all that water you poured on me You may have noticed that I have not used the word “Race” at all. I prefer to think of it as a “dash”. What’s the difference? Maybe nothing. This isn’t about hot cars and fast driving. Remember the rabbit doesnt always with the race. I think that cool headed thinking, intelligent navigation, and reliance on high tech tools is what the game is about. Driving fast is likely to lead to missed turns and mistakes. I could even place a cache near work and have my boys running radar nearby
I’m not one of those Geocachers that is big into numbers. In fact, without looking, I don’t know how many caches I’ve found. I think it’s around 240 something. I’m also not big into the competition to be a first finder. I just think this could be a fun variation of the game.
While I orginally thought that marker tags would be the easiest method for the stages, it would mean that everyone would be searching for the cache in the same order. This could lead to undue pressure to exceed speed limits. Perhaps the best way would be to give everyone the coordinates for all the stages. You can search for them in whichever order you prefer. I don’t like a codeword system, a cheater could share the words, so it would be best to have stamps with logsbooks. First team back with evidence of all the finds would be the victor.
wzbt03 had a good idea about all the participants placing a cache for the series. I think to eliminate any possibility of cheating, it would be best if one person places the caches, and is not allowed to play. That would be me
I still somewhat prefer keep this off of the cache pages. Perhaps we could tie this into a breakfast event? After some grub, those who feel lucky could head out in pursuit of great wealth.
Still would be glad to hear any other ideas how to make this better.
[This message has been edited by GrouseTales (edited 12-17-2003).]
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