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    Another not-so-flattering article from Saturday July 22, 2006 Green Bay Press-Gazette. Here’s the text:

    Geocachers deny trashing Appleton park during hunt
    Alderman accused group of trampling flowerbeds

    By Jeannine Aquino
    Gannett Wisconsin Newspapers

    A group of high-tech enthusiasts known as geocachers, upset they were blamed by an Appleton alderman for trampling flowerbeds in the city’s smallest park, plan to set the record straight.

    Justin Korpal, a geocacher from Green Bay, is organizing a July 30 meet-and-greet in the Old Country Buffet at the Fox River Mall in Grand Chute to talk about the sport of geocaching.

    Geocaching is essentially a scavenger hunt using a global-positioning system and a computer to log coordinates to hidden “caches,” most often a logbook, but sometimes trinkets contained in water-proof containers.

    These caches are located all over the world.

    “Geocaching isn’t just about finding hidden treasure in the woods or in a park or under a park bench,” said Korpal, who works in Appleton. “It involves the history of the area of where the cache was placed, or a mini-history lesson, as well as bringing you to an area that you would not normally go to in your daily travel.”

    Korpal said the event was in response to report Monday in The Post-Crescent of Appleton in which Alderman Walter Kalata blamed geocachers for ruining the flowers he had planted in Appleton’s Union Springs Park.

    Korpal, who said he was the last person to find the Union Springs Park cache on July 12, said it was highly unlikely that a geocacher dug up the flowers. He said most geocachers know that people aren’t allowed to bury a cache, thus eliminating any need to dig using hands or tools.

    Ray Handley, a member of the Wisconsin Geocachers Association board of directors, said many people mistakenly assume that “treasures hidden” is “treasures buried.”

    “I would say that the Wisconsin geocachers or the cachers I know are the least likely to cause any damage to the environments in which we play,” he said, comparing geocachers to other people, like picnickers, who use the same parks and trails in which caches are found.

    In fact, Handley said, one of the basic tenets of geocaching is leaving the cache site better than when you entered it by picking up trash in the surrounding area.

    The practice of hauling out garbage from cache locations is called “cache in, trash out,” said Korpal, who has done just that at numerous sites since he started the sport in 2004.

    Alderman Kalata said he didn’t have anything against geocachers.

    “My complaint, at the time, is that Union Springs Park is such a tiny park, (which) very quickly got trashed,” he said.

    He said he came to the conclusion that geocachers had trampled the park flowerbed by observing a steady stream of people walking through the park, some poking around in the trees. On two occasions, he said, he noticed someone holding a GPS.

    Parks and Recreation Director William Lecker said he hadn’t heard of any concerns about geocachers in any of the parks in the past.

    Lecker said he talked to the person who placed the cache in Union Springs Park. The cache owner told the director that he placed the cache in an area he thought wouldn’t be a problem. His intent, Lecker said, was to draw people to an interesting place.

    The Wisconsin Geocachers Association has about 600 members. The national Web site shows 2,754 cache locations within a 100-mile radius of downtown Appleton.

    รขโ‚ฌโ€ Jeannine Aquino writes for The Post-Crescent of Appleton.

    #1763840

    Good Morning:

    I do have to say, it was not as good as I was hoping, but it is definetely better than either of them that were in the Appleton Post Crescent Last week. Hopefully this will start things going the other way.

    Justin

    #1763841

    Can I ask what’s not so flattering about this article? I thought it was pretty good.

    ~MF

    #1763842

    It doesn’t sound too bad to me. Maybe it could have been better, but at least it has good quotes from geocachers.

    I did like how the alderman said he has nothing against geocachers, but he left out the part about how we need to “get a life”. ๐Ÿ˜•

    “He said he came to the conclusion that geocachers had trampled the park flowerbed by observing a steady stream of people walking through the park, some poking around in the trees. On two occasions, he said, he noticed someone holding a GPS.”

    We all know what happens when you ASSUME something……

    #1763843
    Ray

      How does he know it was a GPS? It might have been a cell phone, or a walkie-talkie, FRS, portable radio, a game-boy or even a brick. And besides, a GPS in hand does not a geocacher make. ๐Ÿ™„

      #1763844

      Good afternoon:

      The reason that I thought it could of been better, was that I had a couple of points that I really stressed about the benefits of geocachers coming to Appleton. One of them was the money that geocachers bring to the community. Also the CITO events. Oh well. 100 percent better than the last one.

      Justin

      #1763845

      @K0rpl wrote:

      Good afternoon:

      The reason that I thought it could of been better, was that I had a couple of points that I really stressed about the benefits of geocachers coming to Appleton. One of them was the money that geocachers bring to the community. Also the CITO events. Oh well. 100 percent better than the last one.

      Justin

      I would have to agree that geocaching can at least bring a little money into the area. Since moving to the U.P. in January, we have already made 2 trips to Appleton and 2 trips to Green Bay caching. Both times, we stayed overnight, shopped, and ate out…but the main reason for both trips down was to geocache. We are actually planning on getting down to Green Bay for another short caching trip sometime in the next few weeks.

      #1763846

      I definitely agree with the money aspect. I just returned from my 6th trip to the Chippewa Valley. This time I stayed two nights instead of just one. I never would have dreamed I’d be driving four hours one way just to find some caches, but that little contest they had awhile back just got me hooked on the area. So after tromping through the woods for hours on end and finding my way back to the parking lot, only to realize it was the wrong one and I was parked about a half mile away, I had to make sure the bears at Irvine Park were still safe in their bear habitat before I headed home all ready to plan my next trip.

      #1763847

      K0rpl and Beast.. you guys offered the info, but the power of the pen and an editor yelling that the article is too long, rules what actually goes in the paper. Oh yeah… goodness forbid a story should be 100% positive… that’s not interesting ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™„

      I think the article came out well, you guys did great!!!!! The points were made and they were a Hell of a lot better points than the ones that the alderman made. And yeah.. what beast said… how does he know they were GPSrs???

      All in all….the non-geocaching public gets both sides…maybe not as fair as we would have liked, but both sides!!

      #1763848

      I’m not saying it was an entirely bad article, just a little funny, at least from my point of view as a Geocacher. I guess I can’t really say how Muggles viewed the article.

      Geocachers trampled our flowers. But look! Learn how to do the same at Old Country Buffet! What happened there, violent rooting through the salad bar?

      What I, personally, think is frustrating is that there’s no good way to answer the accusation, “I think Geocachers trashed our park.” How do you answer this?

      A denial just sounds fake. Although ALL of the ‘cachers I know personally would never tramble flowers, I do know there are others that don’t give a crap and bulldoze through anything in their way.

      (Most of them are from Illinois, of course. Right?) ๐Ÿ˜†

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