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09/22/2006 at 4:46 pm #1723780
What are your opinions of the “Additional Waypoints” feature, now that GC.com has had it in place for some time?
(1) I can see it as a useful tool for the approvers, when we submit multi stage caches. But …
(2) I don’t see all that many caches that come up with additional waypoints offered (example: my weekly query of the 350 closest caches I’ve not found, only includes 2 waypoints in the additional waypoint file).
(3) I find GC.com’s 2 character prefix + 6 character name system for additional waypoints, not very handy in naming additional waypoints in such a way as to make it easily recognizable that the additional waypoints belong to a specific cache. This is mainly because you can’t reuse the either have of the waypoint name for additional waypoints. (Example: for a cache name GCWXYZ, if I could make waypoints named G1WXYZ and G2WXYZ, it would be great, but I can’t use “WXYZ” twice even though “G1” and “G2” make the final waypoints different.)
Anyone else feel the same way about this?
Or am I doing something wrong?09/22/2006 at 4:58 pm #1765957It does allow me to keep track of my stages and final location on the server which is nice, and for that reason alone I think it is a good thing.
I do feel that the wording used to tell you how to assign the wps is very difficult to follow at best, and that the limited ability to assign names is frustrating.
In the end though if it helps the approvers (does it?) I’m all for it.
09/22/2006 at 6:10 pm #1765958I like the new feature, and as lostby7 says, it’s really handy for storing your multi-cache and puzzle cache coords. I also like it for lising parking coords and such.
However. I too think that the WP naming feature is not perfect. But, I think that will change with time.
I was skeptical of the system the first time I saw/used it, but I’m glad it’s here now.
09/22/2006 at 7:23 pm #1765959I think there is some confusion here regarding how the prefix, lookup, and description. This is not surprising, as the GC.com documentation is rather poor. Having set up 18 of these recently, here is how it works.
PREFIX – This two letter code is used with the GCXXXX(X) number to generate the waypoint number of the location for those who get gpx files of the cache, using a “prefix plus last 4 digits” algorithm. So, if you are setting up a child waypoint for cache GC1111 for parking, using the prefix PK, the waypoint will be named PK1111. As far as I know, the only banned combination of letters/numbers for a prefix is GC, for obvious reasons. Its possible that WM (waymark) is also not allowed, but I have not tested this.
LOOKUP – GC.Com promises that this Lookup value will eventually replace the “prefix + last four digits” described above in GPX files. I am not quite sure if they can do it, however, because you run the risk of having two or more child waypoints with the same coding. For my caches, I have chosen to copy the prefix plus 4 method for my lookup values, so that these waypoints will not change at all when they get around to “fixing” it. To do this, you have to type the prefix and the last four digits in the lookup field. So I have to type PK1111, TH1111, etc. Just understand that for today, this field is not actually part of the GPX file. Also, note that for non-public waypoints (like finals), it doesn’t really matter what you put in this field, as nobody will see it but you and the approvers.
NAME – You have 50 characters to work with here. This field will show up as a waypoint name in the GPX. If you are using GSAK, or some other program using GPS Babel, to send the child waypoints to the GPS, this field will be sent to the GPS in the Note field (just like the cache name on normal GC waypoints). It is probably a good idea to put something more than “Parking” or “Trailhead” in this field, such as “My Favorite Cache Parking”, so that the waypoint is distinguishable from all the other “Parking” waypoints without having to look at the code to determine which it is tied to.
And, I think these are getting more usage. In my latest PQ for the 500 caches closest to my house, 27 had child waypoints, but there could be a lot more where the waypoints are not public. I believe the approvers have started requiring use of these for new multis and mystery caches.
09/22/2006 at 7:53 pm #1765960It seems the whole “waypoint” upload is repetitive and not very user friendly.
As a geocacher I don’t find this info very useful.
As an approver, I find the waypoints extremely useful, especially the “hidden” waypoints for multi caches. It really speeds up the review process.
I’d encourage all multi-cache owners to upload all the stages of their multi-caches.
09/22/2006 at 8:07 pm #1765961Thanks for the clarification on what GC.Com plans to do.
Besides GC .. you can NOT use TB, WP and WM .. that much I knew.
Also, I see the high value to the approvers and the owners of caches … just not for sharing with other cachers (or at least it’s not being used much that way).
09/23/2006 at 12:52 am #1765962I have started to use them as much as possible, most specifically on my Burlington Liar’s Club caches, which required the seekers to visit 14 different virtual locations (along with three traditional hides). I did not have these waypoints in place when I first launched the cache, but as I read through the logs, I realized that this is a nice courtesy for those finders that choose to get the child waypoints in their pocket queries. Manually entering that many waypoints is something that I personally would like to avoid. Hopefully my finders feel the same way.
Other ones I have used recently include the alternate trail coordinates on Hairway to Steven (giving me an epic adventure hiking in the KM), the Parking coordinates on Round and Round (there are two possible lots) and the trailhead coordinates on Henry Aaron Trail #1 (allowing me to avoid some urban river bank bushwacking). My current setup puts these into the GPS automatically, and I have the different types of child waypoints assigned to different icons, so I will see them on the GPS map, even when I don’t go looking for them. I guess my point is that if you have a reason to put these on your cache, there are seekers out there who will use them. I think that usage will grow as people learn their value.
09/26/2006 at 3:11 am #1765963I too was frustarted at the approval process when I was trying to get my caches approved. However, after my third such cache that required multiple waypoint entries, I can see the value of the listed waypoints as an owner of a cache. It is helpful to have all of the information listed on my cache pages.
To Grouse Tales: How do we go about redoing the prior multicaches to have them all loaded in as is required by current policy? Thanks for letting me know.09/26/2006 at 1:15 pm #1765964@Mathman wrote:
To Grouse Tales: How do we go about redoing the prior multicaches to have them all loaded in as is required by current policy? Thanks for letting me know.
Here’s what you need to do if you want to add the waypoints…
First, you need to know where they are (hopefully you have a record of them somewhere).
Second, you need to log into geocaching.com, then visit your cache page.
Third, you need to click on “Waypoints” in the menu on the upper-right corner of the page. You will then be to the waypoint entry screen where you can enter the data.
If it is stages to a multi-cache, or the final location of a mystery/puzzle cache, be sure and check the “Hide this waypoint from view except by the owner or administrator” button near the bottom of the page.
Hope this helps.
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