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11/17/2006 at 3:17 pm #1723937
I just received a note from that my Two Creeks Buried Forest Earthcache has been archived. Yes this area is a State Natural area, BUT an Earthcache is a Virtual. You LEAVE NOTHING but foot prints and TAKE NOTHING, but information memories and pictures. All I ask is info you can get from the car, found on a sign, for questions one and a 40 ft walk to get the other.
I am sorry but this is past the point of ridiculous. I was told I have to remove my cache…..well……technically…. there is NOTHING TO REMOVE!!!!! I am past the point of Freakin’ Ticked off over this. Here I am, the WI state advocate for Earthcaches and I have MY cache archived!!
What it has come down to NOW is the Gov’t doesn’t want us to learn anything, I guess! Geocaching/ers are now being discriminated upon.
These caches are regulated by the Geology Society with requirements the same as WI for cache placements. Requirements FROM the Earthcache website:
1. EarthCaches must provide earth science lessons. They take people to sites that can help explain the formation of landscapes or to sites of interesting phenomena such as folds, faults, intrusions or reveal how scientists understand our Earth (such as fossil sites etc.)
2. EarthCaches must be educational. They provide accurate but simple explanations of what visitors will experience at the site. Cache notes must be submitted and assume no previous knowledge of earth science. The educational notes must be written to a reading age of an upper middle school (14 year old) student. Additional technical or scientific notes can be provided for the scientific community. Please note appropriate place on the submittal form for the technical notes. All notes can be submitted in the local language but must also be in English.
3. EarthCaches can be a single site, or a multiple virtual cache. No items, box, or physical cache can be left at the site.
4. EarthCaches follow all the waymarking and geocaching principles and adhere to the principles of Leave No Trace outdoor ethics. Use waypoints to ensure cachers take appropriate pathways. Use established trails only. Do not create new trails to a site in order to concentrate use impacts. EarthCaches will highlight the principle of collect photos – not samples. However, if there is no possible damage to a site which is outside of the public land system and approved by the site owner, small samples may be collected as part of the cache experience.
5. Logging of EarthCaches must involve visitors undertaking some educational task. This could involve them measuring or estimating the size of some feature or aspect of the site, collecting and recording some data (such as time of a tidal bore), or searching and sending via email to the developer, some fact that they find from signage. Developers should try to involve visitors in learning from the site รขโฌยฆ rather than just logging a visit. Logs should show that the visitors have ‘learnt’ by visiting your EarthCache.
6. EarthCaches developed on private and public land must have prior approval of the landowners before submission. “EarthCaches developed in association with National Parks, National Forests, or other public lands are encouraged.” These must have verbal or written approval with the appropriate land-managing agency. The name and contact details of the person from who you received approval MUST be given.
7. All EarthCaches must be approved by GSA (to ensure appropriateness of the site and educational standard of the notes) before they can be submitted for approval via this website.
8. The Geological Society of America retains the right to edit, modify, delete or archive any EarthCache that does not adhere to these guidelines, or for any other purpose, including for the promotion of sponsors for the EarthCache program.
As one can see the Geology Society of America ENCOURAGES Earthcaches placed in National Forest and National Parks 9see #6) AND if you visit earthcache.org, one can SEE that the National Park Service is not only a sponsor, but a PARTNER. Sooooooo National parks and forests are not as important to preserve as WI DNR State Natural Areas?????
Technically the DNR are discriminating JUST against people who are Geocachers. Waymarking is ok, a general visitor is ok, an in-state or out-of-state and even a foreigner is ok to visit. HS science class students can visit, College Geology student and even seasoned geologists can visit. Information about the location of the SNA and its actual locale are all on line ON THE DNR WEBSITE, with information about the trails etc., for people to be able to find and learn. They can ALL take information from the sign and from what they see, BUT……
Geocachers getting information from a posting on GC.com CAN NOT!!!!
There is a definite problem here!!
Anne
“One set of Burnt Bunny Buns here”
11/17/2006 at 3:58 pm #1767042I would agree. This seems way overboard. What next, a National database of Geocachers that are not allowed to visit SNA’s?? Come on. I think we need to use some common sense here.. Geez……..
11/17/2006 at 4:02 pm #1767043Archiving a virtual or earth cache doesn’t make sense. There is no container for people to seek so there is NO trail formation from the traffic.
This all boils down to wanting to stop some traffic & since there is no way to discriminate against most groups of people, geocachers make a great target.I was planning on doing this cache over the thanksgiving holidays, with the small number of earth caches in the state it’s sad to see one go. I’m still going to visit the area so the environmental impact of my visit is still going to happen.
A permit with a time limit and location review by the land manager seems like a better idea, especially when an earth cache is really about teaching people the reason these lands are special.
11/17/2006 at 5:07 pm #1767044I am with you on this one Anne. I saw this last night and justthought it was beyond stupid. Maybe it will take an action by the WGA BOD to educate the DNR or land managers on these types of caches.
11/17/2006 at 5:09 pm #1767045Another example of enforcing the letter of the law with no regard to common sense.
Reminds me of the zero-tolerance drug policies that schools have where a girl can get suspended for sharing a Midol. ๐
11/17/2006 at 5:17 pm #1767046@hogrod wrote:
This all boils down to wanting to stop some traffic & since there is no way to discriminate against most groups of people, geocachers make a great target.
The sad part is that Geocacher traffic is minute/minimal. If the DNR feels a need to decrease traffic, then they need to delete the info on their website. No info about the area, no info about the trails and other things people will see when walking those trails. They need to close off the areas to the public all together, by putting No Trespassing signs up. Then the DNR can keep the areas pristine.
๐ฅ How sad…….. ๐ฅ to have something that no one can enjoy and LEARN from because no one will ever be able to see them.
11/17/2006 at 5:18 pm #1767047@LightningBugs Mum wrote:
Another example of enforcing the letter of the law with no regard to common sense.
Reminds me of the zero-tolerance drug policies that schools have where a girl can get suspended for sharing a Midol. ๐
OMG… you have to be kidding. THAT I didn’t know!! Oooooook then!
11/17/2006 at 6:10 pm #1767048Did you post this in the main GC forums?
11/17/2006 at 6:32 pm #1767049@Cheesehead Dave wrote:
Did you post this in the main GC forums?
Have not gotten there yet, as I am at work (I work at a hospital) and it does not always let in there. My next stop though!! Also posted on waymarking dot com, where Earthcaches are a catagory and its leader works with Earthcache dot org .
11/17/2006 at 6:32 pm #1767050@Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu wrote:
@LightningBugs Mum wrote:
Another example of enforcing the letter of the law with no regard to common sense.
Reminds me of the zero-tolerance drug policies that schools have where a girl can get suspended for sharing a Midol. ๐
OMG… you have to be kidding. THAT I didn’t know!! Oooooook then!
Yep, it has happened.
Zero tolerance = zero common sense, whether we are discussing school drug policies or geocaching in SNAs.
You can probably guess how I feel about mandatory sentencing as well. ๐
11/17/2006 at 9:20 pm #1767051Not trying to be a stickler here, folks, but this is same topic being discussed here. This cache was specifically singled out (with many others, although this one was listed twice) to be archived by the DNR. Follow link for a more complete explanation.
11/17/2006 at 10:00 pm #1767052This is a little different in that THIS is a virtual and it is regulated by the Geology Society as well as Waymarking which is part of groundspeak and attached to GC.com. This cache was JUST RE-reviewed by the Geology Society and Waymarking and ok’d to be here.
They are similar in that they are geocaches. They are DIFFERENT in that a virtual does not have a container. If this is archived then ALL virtuals should be reviewed and if on private lands… be archived til they can get approvel. Now THAT sounds absolutley rediculous doesn’t it!! Hey what’s right for one is right for all though…. correct???
OK…..Here’s the funny (Strange…not ha ha) thing!!!
Sure… it can be removed from the GC.com, BUT Waymarking will KEEP it active and they ARE GROUNDSPEAK/GC.com. And the difference here?????? Well……with GC.com we are notified about it and can visit it, learn from it and count it towards our finds. On Waymarking.com ….well…few go there and are even aware of the sites.11/17/2006 at 11:28 pm #1767053After spending the day reviewing the information the DNR has on their website, I have made this observation and conclusion:
It states “No Geocaching in SNA’s” BUT an Earthcache is NOT Geocaching. It is “the gathering of geological or histrorical information from are area already visited by the general public!!”
Am I splitting hairs???? Darn tootin’ I am!! and YES you will see this posted in 2 separate posts!
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