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01/03/2007 at 6:24 pm #1724049
Ok, I know plenty of containers to put caches in….ammo cans, tupperware containers, pill bottles, film canisters, etc…I was thinking of making some out of PVC pipe…then I did a search on the internet….after what I had read about muggles finding them and not knowing what they were, they’d call the cops and then the bomb squad would come and all you know what would break loose….Does anyone else do thier caches using PVC pipe? I think it would be a lot more durable, plus I could make different sizes…any thoughts????
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Phil01/03/2007 at 6:56 pm #1767873Of the pvc pipe containers that I have found, I’d say they’re a bit on the unreliable side for sealing and opening. Cinemaboxers have at least 2. I know I struggled with the threads on both.
01/03/2007 at 7:00 pm #1767874I found a PVC container that was a cache but it was also implanted into a log that you had to twist open. The whole pipe bomb thing can happen. But then again the police get called out for unmarked ammo cans also.
01/03/2007 at 7:08 pm #1767875My first multiple cache creation “Valley of Oz TB Zoo” had smaller cachers (that I called zoo bars) that were made out of PVC pipe … smaller pipe, 1.5″ diameter by about 6″ long that slide into a slightly bigger diameter PVC … all they hid were part of the coordinates to the final, plus a log sheet. I actually cable tied them to trees … there were sprayed gray … just trying to blend in as an extension to the branch of the trees.
I was fine with them from about a year or so … then I started getting the creeps that some person would thing they’re some kind of pipe bomb … so I retired the series (it was time to release the space to other cachers any way). So I’m not a big fan of them, personally … especially if they’re camo’d … it might be another thing if the hiding location allows you to leave them white.
01/03/2007 at 8:02 pm #1767876I’m not a big fan of PVC caches.
As you stated, there is always the pipe bomb factor.
Also, pipe threads (PVC or not) are tapered. This means that they have to be reasonably tight before they seal. To get them tight enough to seal well, tools are likely needed.
01/03/2007 at 8:44 pm #1767877We have found them hard to open in the freezing weather and many times very wet inside.
Timberline Echoes01/03/2007 at 9:13 pm #1767878My spouse and I adopted a series of caches whose containers were all made of PVC. For the most part they have held up okay, but the ones that have had more exposure to the environment have not done as well. They are hard to tighten securely enough to assure no water gets in and often, if tightened this well, geocachers can’t open them. Or, if water is on the threads when tightened, it then freezes shut. Pine sap works well as an unwelcome glue when accidentally applied to the threads, too.
These containers were designed with the cap threading around the outside of the pipe so one was able to get a pretty good grip on it and they were still sometimes hard to re-open. PVC containers that thread the inside of the pipe are even harder to open because it is hard to get a good grip on the lid.
And two did get confiscated as suspicious – but we know that happens to all types of containers.
In my opinion, there are better containers than PVC pipes.
Ruth
01/03/2007 at 9:22 pm #1767879Whatever you decide, just make sure to clearly mark the outside of the container with “Official Geocache” or something similar. Then, it’s not so striking to the Police or unsuspecting non-cacher.
Most all of my caches that I can fit any writing on say “Official Geocache”. I have also added “www.geocaching.com” to the outside, and on occasion even my own e-mail address. Most pipe-bombers would probably not go through the trouble. 😉
01/03/2007 at 9:31 pm #1767880The few I have run into around here held up ok, but where harded then heck to open. There was a suction holding the cap on. They were painted black and blended in good.
01/04/2007 at 4:34 am #1767881Ours makes no attempt to be, well.. hidden. Its a white PVC that looks like something the city put there, and has its big orange Geocaching label on it! LOL
We keep a baggie over the top to make it watertight. Seems to be low tech, but definitely works.
We likely wont do more like this though. Too many other fun container options! We have a few to plant now!
01/04/2007 at 6:25 pm #1767882Regarding this thread on PVC geocaching containers. IMHO, here are my thoughts.
My wife and I have three caches out presently; ALL are made of white PVC pipe. We find they have held up perfectly, very waterproof, reasonably easy to open etc. We do paint them as needed to blend in with the terrain. Our caches do not, IMHO, look like or resemble pipe bombs in any way. Ours are hidden in such a way as to NOT arouse this suspicion. Please check out, GCJMT2 (PLACED 6-04), GCK67R (PLACED 8-04) and GCYW1D (PLACED 10-06). You are invited to read the logs for all three and comments from most of the finders sincerely praise the caches, locations and concepts.
8)We have three more in mind and ALL will be PVC pipe. 😈
Just to get some discussion on “cache containers” going, IMHO, any type of AMMO CAN, unless completely painted to cover the military wording, “AND” having Geocaching decals, should not be approved.
Heck 75-80% of our finds involving ammo cans ARE STILL IN THEIR MILITARY CONDITION, EVEN WITH THE .50 CALIBER WORD —- “AMMUNITION”
STILL ON THE SIDE(S).Not trying to offend, IMHO only, just my $.02 worth.
01/04/2007 at 8:58 pm #1767883@seekers8711 wrote:
Just to get some discussion on “cache containers” going, IMHO, any type of AMMO CAN, unless completely painted to cover the military wording, “AND” having Geocaching decals, should not be approved.
While I don’t disagree with your sentiment, the approval process does not include a review of container, hide type, labeling, cache contents, environmental “appropriateness”, common sense, or any other item other than the specific physical location(s) of the cache. They are lucky if they can screen out caches in SNAs, caches too close to each other, and caches where the description specifically mentions violating the rules.
I suppose the approvers could ask each person if their hide meets GC.com guidelines, but we all have to check that box when we submit a cache anyway.
Strangely enough, the ammo cans don’t seem to draw any more police attention than other types of containers. Of the four issues I have heard of, 2 involved PVC pipe, 1 involved an ammo can, and 1 involved a 5 gallon bucket. I can’t imagine anyone building a pipe bomb would actually use PVC, but that doesn’t stop people from worrying about it.
01/04/2007 at 9:37 pm #1767884I also think the PVC containers are a poor choice. Besides looking like a pipe bomb to a muggle, it is not very weather resistant.
I’ve found a couple over the years and they were wet inside If using a threaded cap, believe or not, water penetrates the threads. You’d have to use some sealant to keep it dry, then no one would be able to open it without tools.
I’m sure they are cheap to make, but I don’t think they are worth the problems they can create.
01/04/2007 at 10:02 pm #1767885I tried to open a PVC container about 2 weeks ago and finally gave up after two visits….Next time I will travel with a pipe wrench.
01/05/2007 at 12:59 am #1767886The issue I have is making a good container that doesn’t look all that suspicious and is cheap to buy/build. My wife wouldn’t like it if I used her tupperware containers….of course I could hit rummage sales this summer and see what I could find cheap….I wouldn’t mind spending the money on a decent container, but I don’t want them to get muggled and disappear. I think the PVC is out of the question, I hadn’t thought about the hard to open factor…unless you were to smear some vaseline on the threads where you didn’t have to over tighten it to keep the water out, but then that could be messy also. Ammo cans would be great, but they’re pricey also…besides, the ones I already have serve a purpose in my garage…I’ve used film canisters before, but there’s only so much that can be put in there, and I’ve had those muggled also in the past…I suppose I could hit Goodwill and some other thrift shops also….
Thanks for the input!
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