Forums Geocaching in Wisconsin General Timeline to Log FTFs?

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  • #1725642

    A few times we have been frustrated that a cache seems to be unfound, but when you find it, it already has been signed. I am not just talking about 15 minutes, but it was found a few hours ago.

    Is there a general rule about how soon after you are a FTF that you should log your find?

    #1880664

    Keep something in mind … there are many people out there that NEVER log their finds.

    I’ve noticed as geocaching has become more “common news” in society, that people are trying it and never bothering to log finds.

    In the last 2 weeks alone … I’ve run into 3 people … the guy that fixes my car, the gal that cuts my hair and someone at a store that regonized me from an article in the paper two years ago 😯 … all 3 have been caching for 6 months to a year and have never logged a find online.

    They just don’t see the point of it … they just cache to have fun and don’t want to spend the time going back online. I tried to convince them otherwise … since I “live” to read people’s log entries.

    #1880665

    @EnergySaver wrote:

    Keep something in mind … there are many people out there that NEVER log their finds.

    I’ve noticed as geocaching has become more “common news” in society, that people are trying it and never bothering to log finds.

    In the last 2 weeks alone … I’ve run into 3 people … the guy that fixes my car, the gal that cuts my hair and someone at a store that regonized me from an article in the paper two years ago 😯 … all 3 have been caching for 6 months to a year and have never logged a find online.

    They just don’t see the point of it … they just cache to have fun and don’t want to spend the time going back online. I tried to convince them otherwise … since I “live” to read people’s log entries.

    I am the same way, makes my day when I get an email about someone finding a cache of mine. I’m glad that most people do log the caches they have found online.

    Averith

    #1880666

    I do not believe there is any time requirement to completing on-line logs. Nor is there a rule that on-line logs are even required. Some people ‘catch’ up months later or never as EnergySaver has suggested.

    The rules on geocaching.com only speak of signing of the log book in the cache. Personally signing both makes sense to me, because I can easily go back on-line and remember the experiences that I have had as well as share with the cache owner and those looking to seek the cache.

    I think most people can understand the disappointment in not getting to the cache first. I would guess most of us have been there. I often laugh when it is the same person once again that beat me. Sometimes it is even close enough that they are still there. Share some conversation and log another find is good for me. I know I would seek the cache no matter if I have a chance to be FTF or not.

    Does anyone only seek caches that haven’t been found?

    #1880667

    @wooden_nickel wrote:

    Does anyone only seek caches that haven’t been found?

    Are you referring to ones that are lost???

    😉

    #1880668

    You have now made me curious of two questions…

    1. Does anyone only look for caches that have never been found?

    2. Does anyone only look for caches that have not been found for an extended period of time?

    #2 is a red flag of mine to spend my time elsewhere 😀

    #1880669

    @Cachelovskys wrote:

    A few times we have been frustrated that a cache seems to be unfound, but when you find it, it already has been signed. I am not just talking about 15 minutes, but it was found a few hours ago.

    Is there a general rule about how soon after you are a FTF that you should log your find?

    If I have the time to do some serious caching, I will be gone for most of the day. More than just a few hours. I may also be on vacation somewhere, where I don’t have access to a computer. So, if I am a FTF, it may be days or even a couple of weeks before I am even able to log any finds. Should there be a time limit on FTFs. I don’t think so. If there is on FTFs, there may as well be a limit on every find.

    #1880670

    I don’t only look for caches that haven’t been found, but it is nice to be the first one to find something, because if you think about it only the first to find finds the cache just how the owner intended it to be hidden.

    If there is a cache that hasn’t been found in a while, that isn’t a red flag for me. I take it as a challenge. For example, there was one cache I found this summer, that someone wrote…DON’T TRY AND FIND IN THE SUMMER. Because of thorns and more bushwhacking. If I know it is there, and it hasn’t been found in a long time, it is excited to say that “I found it”

    However, that can open up a whole different discussion on the importance of logging DNFs!

    #1880671

    I suspect that anyone getting the first to find on a cache within a reasonably populated area, i.e. Green Bay/Fox Cities or SE Wisconsin, is actually trying to get the FTF. In those cases, it would be nice of them to log it quickly, not everyone does. You should also understand that the FTF game is strictly unofficial. Presumably, you had just as good of a time finding the cache second as you would have had finding it first, so this is only a “numbers thing”.

    I believe that what you are really saying is that you would NOT have gone through the effort to run out in the middle of the night, looking for a film can in the crotch of a tree in a normal city park without the motivation of getting a FTF. From what I have seen, most people eventually quit trying for FTFs and just try to enjoy the game without it. I personally started to question it when I grabbed a FTF in the middle of the night (like 2AM) and the next day received an email from the owner asking if I agreed with his assessment of how beautiful the setting was, less than a mile off of Highway 20. I revisited the site later that day so I didn’t have to admit that all I could see of the setting was what was illuminated by my flashlight. Eventually, you have to ask yourself why you are doing this and, more importantly, why you geocache. If you are like me and realize you geocache to spend time with family, make friends, and enjoy the outdoors while satisfying that inner “need to explore”, FTFs just become unimportant.

    #1880672

    Well spoken Team Deejay. I gave up the FTF hunt some time ago….in fact there was a cache that listed less than half a mile from work the other day and while it would have been a simple score even without a GPS (dead end cache), I still haven’t gone to find it. The FTF came the day after it listed and I don’t think it has been found since…and that was already a week ago.

    Granted being FTF (in the middle of the night…and in ice storms) when I started was a great deal of fun I soon realized that while I was getting bunches of FTF I was denying others the fun of being FTF…soon I lost all desire to be there first.

    But I digress….I think that people “should” make an attempt to get their FTF logged as soon as possible so that others will be able to plan their day should that data be of significant interest to them….think of it as common courtesy.

    #1880673

    I personally think trying to be FTF is very much a luck and/or hit-or-miss thing at best … I don’t think someone should be disappointed if they’re not FTF ….

    (1) As we’ve already stated, not everyone logs or logs quickly.

    (2) I’ve read log entries where people find out they missed FTF by 10 minutes, heck I’ve ready logs where #1, #2 and #3 all ended up in the parking lot at the same time … and this is even in my area, where the population is not very dense.

    … you take your chances when you go after FTF, that’s life … or that’s the geo equivilent of life.

    #1880674

    @furfool wrote:

    @Cachelovskys wrote:

    A few times we have been frustrated that a cache seems to be unfound, but when you find it, it already has been signed. I am not just talking about 15 minutes, but it was found a few hours ago.

    Is there a general rule about how soon after you are a FTF that you should log your find?

    If I have the time to do some serious caching, I will be gone for most of the day. More than just a few hours. I may also be on vacation somewhere, where I don’t have access to a computer. So, if I am a FTF, it may be days or even a couple of weeks before I am even able to log any finds. Should there be a time limit on FTFs. I don’t think so. If there is on FTFs, there may as well be a limit on every find.

    There are times when it is impossible to log a FTF because of logistics such as traveling or lack of a computer to use. I for one feel it is important to log an FTF as soon as feasible. This is a courtesy to fellow cachers who might make a run just for the FTF and find out that they are too late. I am sure that many others have dealt with this lack of courtesy. It is not reasonable to wait several days especially for FTF’s. You have to know that others will jump after an FTF if it isn’t posted. Just my opinion.

    #1880675

    I find this all very funny – in the caching crowd I find myself in now it is considered bad form to race out just to be FTF when there a perfectly good or even excellent caches you haven’t found. There is even a little light hearted jibbing if you get more than a couple in a few weeks. It is also common practice not to log FTF until someone finds it. To me it is all a game and I just don’t understand the need to be FTF. If the cache is worth doing it is worth doing. But there are a lot of things I don’t understand in what people do.

    #1880676

    LJ so nice to see you keeping up here. Sounds like you need to move back where people take caching more seriously… 😆 We have passed up quite a few FTF… just isn’t our biggest motivation… where we live we don’t have the density and just happen to get FTF when we can get to them. We cache when we can and go where we can depending on many factors.

    TE

    #1880677

    When the timing is right, I love the ftf run, but lately thats been few and far between. As for logging it, I try and log it as soon as I can, I have gone crazy and re-arranged my schedule just to make an attempt at one only to find that I was usurped by mere moments, so I try to log it fast so no one else does the same thing.

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