Forums Geocaching in Wisconsin Help What constitutes a wheelchair accessible cache?

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    Actually a 2-part question. First part, is there any guidance for what a cache needs to be in order to be considered wheelchair accessible? We’ve thought of checking that on some of our caches but have decided not to in case we were wrong. Must it be a certain trail type, height, etc? We’ve checked the forums and also handicaching.com. Maybe we’ve just missed it. We’re just looking for some sort of basic guidelines.

    Second, should a 1/1 cache, or at least a terrain 1 cache, be wheelchair accessible by default? This seems to be believed by some, but we can’t find anything on that either.

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    #1881807

    I suggested checking out this site, that discusses this:
    http://www.handicaching.com/

    To my understanding a TERRAIN of 1 SHOULD BE Wheel Chair accessible … if the owner did it right … anything short of that should be at least a 1.5.

    The DIFFICULTY rating should not have anything to do with this, as that typically reflects the “trickyness” of the cache, not how hard it is to get to the spot. A puzzle cache could be very difficult to figure out, but still be something you could wheel up to. Our a cache could be along a sidewalk, 2 feet up on a metal post, but maybe there are 26 metal posts at ground zero. A real life example could be a military tank, with a magnetic within reach from a chair along a side walk … but just what spot.

    #1881808

    Not that I’m any kind of authority, but I am opinionated!

    When I go caching with Mom (who is physically disabled) we looks for accessible caches based on terrain rating. To us, a terrain of 1 means that the cache is accessible to all. That’s not always the case though. I’ve done terrain 1 caches that involved climbing. It’s really subjective.

    For me, a terrain of 1 means that the walk is short, and the cache can be accessed with limited extremes in motion (can bend to pick up the cache, but not stoop under something, no climbing of any sort, nothing too high).

    For me, a terrain of 1 is handicap accessible, in a perfect world. If someone in a wheelchair could access the cache, I’d give it a terrain of 1, if it’s still an easy terrain, but not accesible by wheelchair, I’d bump it up to a 1.5 terrain.

    To make life even easier, if the cache would be handicap accessible, use the accessible atribute. Lots of terrain of 1 caches don’t use this attribute, so it’s really hard to tell if the cache is trully accessible or not.

    As far as actual guidance, I’m not aware of any. The terrain ratings (and difficulty, for that matter) are up to the individual. Just state clearly in your cache page whether or not the cache is accessible, and use attributes.

    Bec

    #1881809

    @EnergySaver wrote:

    I suggested checking out this site, that discusses this:
    http://www.handicaching.com/

    Where on handicaching does it discuss this? As we mentioned in the initial post, we’ve been there, but all we’ve been able to find there has been their rating-code system that doesn’t really translate into a “yes/no” answer which is what we’re trying to find some basic guidance for, not being wheelchair users ourselves. Maybe we’ve just completely missed it…

    This seems like a dumb question I know, but every time we consider adding the attribute we start to wonder, well, what if someone can’t reach the 4′ mark, or if the cache is deep enough in the bush that you couldn’t get it while seated. Maybe we’re overthinking it and it’s a common sense call.

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    #1881810

    The best way of judging ‘wheelchair accessible’ is to take a real person in a wheelchair for a walk.

    My first such experience was way back, when I was working in Illinois. I offered to help a young wheelchair bound lawyer to get to the court house a few blocks away. I quickly learned I could not walk as fast as I normally would.

    Look at a sidewalk. Look closely. See all the cracks and gaps and bumps, etc? Well, where you can step over them, a wheelchair can not.

    Slows things down considerably.

    That ramp? A two year can maneuver it with easy. Can a wheelchiar, even if it is mortorized? Probably not!

    Reach up, reach down. Sit in a chair, and try it.

    I do not think I have ever seen a wheelchair accessible cache.

    #1881811

    Handicaching.com is a great site, but it is actually a tool for rating caches which are ALREADY rated as terrain 1 (or maybe a handful of 1.5s). The site to look at for deciding what exactly is “handicapped accessible” is http://www.clayjar.com/gcrs/
    Note that the website only rates in whole stars, so the 1/2 star ratings are up to you. Also note the requirement is handicapped accessible, not necessarily wheelchair accessible.

    To summarize the website, the following should be true for a terrain 1:

    • Hiking distance less than 1/2 mile (round trip)
    • Paved path or boardwalk
    • No overgrowth
    • Minimal to no elevation change
    • No special equipment required (i.e. you can’t claim a boating cache is terrain 1, even though the above 4 requirements might be correct.)

    The problem with NOT adhering to this standard is that you will be disappointing many people who rely on the Terrain 1 rating to select caches they are physically able to reach.

    #1881812

    If a Rogheff cache is rated a 1 star terrain, you can get to and retrieve the cache while sitting in a wheelchair.

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    Ray

      At one time, Groundspeak had given clear definitions of each of the terrain ratings: 1= wheelchair or stroller accessible; 5 = requires special equipment, or skill; yada, yada. I cannot locate those definitions now. But that doesn’t change how I would rate terrain. If terrain challenges a wheelchair bound geocacher, it should be rated 1.5 or higher.

      Trudy & I spent several months seeking out Terrain 1 caches and found that many are inappropriately rated. All too often, the error is not evident until you arrive at the scene. This is very disappointing to those of us with physical limitations.

      #1881814

      I have a heck of a time with this issue. I’d like for several of my caches to be rated as a 1 star, but I question exactly what that means so I generally try to stick to 1.5 stars if there is even the smallest question in my mind (which is most of the time). I think my only caches with a 1 star rating are my Lannon Earthcache and First Baby of Brookfield
      (cuz there are no containers).

      #1881815

      The most common input/complaint on my caches when I first started placing them was that I was putting 1-star and they were not “wheel chair accessible”. This seems to be an important topic and item to “get right” on your cache listings or expect feedback.

      Personally, I have yet to run into a wheel-chair bound geocacher while geocaching. It sounds like most of the time it’s folks who bring someone along like a family member and help them participate.

      I would imagine if someone was in a wheelchair and aggresively pursuing geocaching as a sport/hobby for themselves, I envision these folks do not have your run of the mill hospital wheel-chair and probably can navigate some grass and curbs. I would think this category of cacher would have the most difficulty with caches placed up high or that require some climbing — which many cache hiders forget about when they rate their cache a 1-star terrain. But then there’s the wheel-chair bound people who climb mountains!

      But since I haven’t met anyone, I am just hypothesizing.

      -cheeto-

      #1881816

      I’ve been watching this topic with a lot of interest, as I spent a good portion of this last summer in a wheelchair.

      I was fortunate in that I was able to use crutches in addition to the chair, but most of the time at work was in the chair.

      I only hunted for one cache while confined to the chair, it was in a nearby park with terrain that I was familiar with. I scored a DNF at the time with that cache – it was missing. I later went back and found it on crutches, but at the time it was extremely satisfying to at least be hunting a cache, and helped greatly to deal with the caching withdrawal I was dealing with.

      Honestly, I don’t think that it could ever be feasible for me to cache from a wheelchair unless someone was way more proficient with a chair than I was. I found using the wheelchair physically exhausting. I also understand that there might be wheelchairs that are more outdoor friendly than the heavy clunker I was in. I’m so very thankful that I no longer need to use either the crutches or the chair, but also very thankful that geocachers care enough to think about handicapped cachers when placing their hides.

      #1881817

      I rate all of my caches at 2/2 minimum.

      #1881818

      About 10 years ago I spent 3 months not allowed to put any weight on my left, due to a crushed knee joint … I used a wheelchair a bit, besides crutches. Thinking back to those days, if geocaching had been around then, it would be tough to imagine doing many caches either … I think you’d have to be looking mainly at park bench caches along sidewalks and stuff like that, with some rare exceptions.

      I guess that’s why I originally pointed out that other site … I can see it being a handy “tool” for those with limited mobility, because of the 5-digit code system to “get picky” on the conditions.

      #1881819

      Hi,

      I collect a list of caches that I have visited that I think are wheelchair accessible, and it is listed here, for those interested:

      http://www.geocaching.com/bookmarks/view.aspx?guid=261fe11c-dba9-4c18-a4b5-b8378ce9077d

      As far as criteria goes, I look at the surface, whether it is firm or not. If it is turf, is it mowed, firm turf, mostly level? Also, what level is the cache at. Ground hides that require a little manuevering to get to, for example, would be tough to do in a wheelchair, so I consider the height of cache placement. Most of the caches on my list are just off of the sidewalk or pavement, but when on turf, I note that.

      My list is based on the type of rehab patients that I have worked with, that use the sports style wheelchairs (tilted in rear wheels, with bigger front wheels) and assumes that folks have enough upper body mobility to operate the wheelchair and use a reacher to get at the caches. My list is not aimed at folks who would be using the traditional wheelchair ya see in hospitals or nursing homes, as those would tip, even on firm turf.

      As far as distance goes, I recently added one that was about a quarter of a mile on a good flat shale surface, but noted the extra length on the description. Some folks in wheelchairs would want the longer cruise, others would not, hence the reason to note the length.

      In most cases, I comment on the list what the surface is like, so folks can make their own judgement.

      zuma

      #1881820

      @marc_54140 wrote:

      I rate all of my caches at 2/2 minimum.

      I’m not touching this subject Marc. 😉

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