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03/31/2008 at 12:07 am #1726295
gotta run
MemberThis topic hasn’t quite been covered in past threads.
Aside from whether or not you like cemetery caches, what are the thoughts/comments on hiding cemetery caches.
I ask because when we place cemetery caches, we avoid using the grave marker of ANY person as part of the waypoints, puzzle, or calculations.
I personally have an appreciation for cemeteries both from a historical perspective as well as from doing genealogical research. But it seems disrespectful to include someone’s dear departed gramma or grandpa as part of a game.
Even more so when it is NOT someone who died 100s of years ago, but who died recently, or tragically, unless it’s a memorial cache done by family or friends.
We just run across a lot of cemetery caches where it’s “Go to John Doe’s grave, get some numbers, then use those to find the cache.”
On the Left Side of the Road...03/31/2008 at 1:26 am #1886853Ry and Ny
MemberI’ve been reading a number of these cache pages, but have not hunted one yet. All of the ones I’ve read have some interesting (if small) historical perspective on the person they’re asking you to check dates on.
Perhaps I’m just looking at the wrong ones, and if so, please accept my apologies.
03/31/2008 at 1:43 am #1886854Team Deejay
MemberI guess I don’t have any issues with taking information off of monuments. After all, the whole point of placing a memorial in a public cemetery is for people to visit and reflect on the person. Reading information off a stone is in no way disrespectful.
On the other hand, placing a cache container in close proximity to stones is not a good idea. There is a cache in Caledonia where you need to straddle a grave marker to find a cache hidden in a nearby tree. This is really too close.
03/31/2008 at 2:09 am #1886855gotta run
MemberIt just seems a lot of cemetery multis are put out there just to make a multi rather than to learn something etc., so gramps just becomes unwittingly part of someone’s hide-and-seek game. In that case, isn’t it more prudent to choose a sign, fire number, etc. for a reference point?
On the Left Side of the Road...03/31/2008 at 2:15 am #1886856Ry and Ny
MemberI can certainly respect your position, but I’m personally someone who enjoys going to cemetaries, and would not in any way be offended if someone else came and looked at my father’s grave to pull some numbers from it.
From my limited experience with reading this forum, I think that, with maybe only one or two exceptions, everyone would have the common sense and respect to avoid a situation that would interfere with anyone else’s respects or bereavement, so I don’t have any issue with these caches.
Again, that’s just me.
03/31/2008 at 3:20 am #1886857zuma
Member@gotta run wrote:
This topic hasn’t quite been covered in past threads.
Aside from whether or not you like cemetery caches, what are the thoughts/comments on hiding cemetery caches.
I ask because when we place cemetery caches, we avoid using the grave marker of ANY person as part of the waypoints, puzzle, or calculations.
I personally have an appreciation for cemeteries both from a historical perspective as well as from doing genealogical research. But it seems disrespectful to include someone’s dear departed gramma or grandpa as part of a game.
Even more so when it is NOT someone who died 100s of years ago, but who died recently, or tragically, unless it’s a memorial cache done by family or friends.
We just run across a lot of cemetery caches where it’s “Go to John Doe’s grave, get some numbers, then use those to find the cache.”
I agree with those who do not think it is disrespectful to use the markers as part of a multi. My preference, and it is only a preference, would be that the chosen marker be relevent somehow, and not just a random marker. I would also rather hunt markers that are legible and upright, rather than flat to the ground or hard to read due to weathering.
As a side note, I have noticed that a disporportionate amount of the caches in the Lonely Cache game are either puzzles or cemetary hides. This suggests to me that maybe cemetary hides are like puzzles caches in that more people like to hide them, than find them.
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03/31/2008 at 11:07 am #1886858DGDK
MemberI have to respectfully disagree with the OP on this topic. Had it not been for cemetary caches, I would have never known about the interesting story of Belle Boyd (See GCZ1NQ), or have been able to visit the only Revolutionary War soldier buried in Sauk County (see GCXPZ6), or learned about a fellow Wisconsin poet (see GCN26B).
I appreciate these caches, for not only do they provide a smiley, but they provide some insight on history as well.03/31/2008 at 1:10 pm #1886859gotta run
Member@DGDK wrote:
I have to respectfully disagree with the OP on this topic. Had it not been for cemetery caches, I would have never known about the interesting story of Belle Boyd (See GCZ1NQ), or have been able to visit the only Revolutionary War soldier buried in Sauk County (see GCXPZ6), or learned about a fellow Wisconsin poet (see GCN26B).
I appreciate these caches, for not only do they provide a smiley, but they provide some insight on history as well.I do not disagree with you; in fact, I think your response gets to my original point. I looked at each of these three caches and all use the memorials/markers in a way that has to do with the history of the cemetery–i.e., for a purpose–and some of those markers are actually intended to be public tributes.
What I’m talking about is when it’s “Well, I need to get a number 50 in this cemetery somehow to make my puzzle work, so here’s a grave of Jimbob that will work just fine.” That’s what we run into more often than not.
On the Left Side of the Road...03/31/2008 at 2:05 pm #1886860-cheeto-
MemberI prefer a respectful simple hide in a cemetery versus having to come up with the coordinates. I do however understand the value of a history lesson as much as the next person.
Also I wish that the Reviewers would not allow posting the coordinates to the entrance and calling it a Multi. I beleive that if it’s classified as a multi, the posted coordinates should be the Marker that you are required to find. Otherwise to me it should be posted as type Unknown. Especially, when the marker you are trying to find is described like marc describes them 🙂 Like “find anna” and there are a handful of markers with anna on them.
And I agree with Zuma on the use of markers. They should be standing upright because we have snow covering the ground for many months making some un-huntable for many months out of the year. And we should not be encouraging any sort of digging the snow in cemeteries. If as an owner you choose to make it unhuntable in the winter, please add the attribute AND put in the listing to not hunt it in the winter out of respect for the surroundings.
While hunting lonely caches I have gotten to more WSQ’s than I have hunted before. It does add to the variation of the sport which is a positive. I just wish that owners would post the coordinates of the marker rather than the entrance so that were at least in the ball park when we hunt them!
03/31/2008 at 3:50 pm #1886861Team Deejay
Member@-cheeto- wrote:
Also I wish that the Reviewers would not allow posting the coordinates to the entrance and calling it a Multi. I beleive that if it’s classified as a multi, the posted coordinates should be the Marker that you are required to find. Otherwise to me it should be posted as type Unknown. Especially, when the marker you are trying to find is described like marc describes them 🙂 Like “find anna” and there are a handful of markers with anna on them.
The current reviewers require that multicaches start at the listed, accurate coordinates. Basically, if you provide coordinates to the gravestone for the information, you can either call this a multi or a mystery, as it qualifies as both. If you just provide coordinates to the general area, this is NOT a multi and cannot be listed as such. Of course, there are many caches out there now which are incorrectly labeled, as Groundspeak was not clear on this guideline in the past. If anyone needs help changing their cache type, just drop me a line.
To summarize, a multicache must start at its listed coordinates. A mystery cache can just get you to the general area, as long as somewhere along the way, you get a set of coordinates to search using your GPS. If you never get a set of coordinates (or a bearing and distance from a known point), not matter how clear or obtuse your directions are, this is NOT a geocache and needs to be listed on letterboxing.org.
03/31/2008 at 3:57 pm #1886862gotta run
MemberMaybe the lesson is that there are good cemetery caches and lame cemetery caches, just as in all other areas of caching…
On the Left Side of the Road...03/31/2008 at 4:06 pm #1886863TyeDyeSkyGuy
MemberI think these cemetery caches are just fine, even the multi’s. I don’t however, think that these multi-caches should be hunted on Sunday’s or holidays for the simple reason that that is when most relatives and friends visit these places.
I’d hate for someone to have to explain themselves to a grieving family member. They are out there grieving, while you are having fun playing a game. Just doesn’t sit right with me and may not with them either.
Doing a single stage cache would probably draw no attention at all.
03/31/2008 at 9:22 pm #1886864Decrepit
MemberI don’t mind caches in cemeteries at all, however I would really appreciate it if cachers would be a bit more respectful and be mindful of the days and times they are caching. For example, I would suggest refraining from caching in a Catholic cemetery on Sundays. That is one of the most crowded times and people are visiting graves of family and friends. I myself was a little peeved when I went to place a wreath on my mother’s grave prior to Christmas and there was a crowd of seven or eight people laughing it up at the WSQ: Opera Singer cache that was placed just a few days before. There were several other people that were also placing wreaths at this time. Yeah, ok, I know what you were all doing and that’s just fine, but don’t do it when other people are around.
**just my two cents**
04/01/2008 at 2:30 pm #1886865TyeDyeSkyGuy
MemberSo, now I have to ask this question. My Great Aunt passed this weekend, and I’m thinking of making a memorial cache.
Her gravestone is going to have a bronze flower vase built into it, that is removable. You know, the ones that showed up in the news recently because they were being stolen to recycle. I’m trying to think of a way to attach a small micro to this vase so that it won’t be in the way for myself and family members when we want to use the vase. If this works out, I may place more because all of my family buried in this cemetery, have this style of marker.
My question is, is a cache like this acceptable? My family thinks it’s a great idea, so permission from us is not an issue. But, will it be an issue with GC.com? And do I need permission from the cemetery?
BTW I won’t be placing this cache until fall or next spring for obvious reasons.
04/01/2008 at 3:05 pm #1886866Team Hemisphere Dancer
Member@tyedyeskyguy wrote:
So, now I have to ask this question. My Great Aunt passed this weekend, and I’m thinking of making a memorial cache.
Her gravestone is going to have a bronze flower vase built into it, that is removable. You know, the ones that showed up in the news recently because they were being stolen to recycle. I’m trying to think of a way to attach a small micro to this vase so that it won’t be in the way for myself and family members when we want to use the vase. If this works out, I may place more because all of my family buried in this cemetery, have this style of marker.
My question is, is a cache like this acceptable? My family thinks it’s a great idea, so permission from us is not an issue. But, will it be an issue with GC.com? And do I need permission from the cemetery?
BTW I won’t be placing this cache until fall or next spring for obvious reasons.
Even if it is acceptable to you ad your family, I will not search out this cache as i definitely have an issue with these types of cemetery hides.
*** Just my 2 cents ****
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