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05/03/2008 at 2:22 pm #1726480
I am sure that folks will have things to say about the recent BOD decision to not allow multiple logging of temps, starting with the spring event. I started this thread to allow folks to post their feelings on this and to ask questions related to this decision, rather than just add on to the existing topics.
My feeling is that the WGA membership, like any cache owner, has the right and duty to define their expectations of what constitutes a log for any cache or event, and a majority of the WGA members voted to no longer allow mulitple logs for temps, so it is reasonable to follow the wishes of our members. I am sure that this change, like any change, will be easy for some, and harder for others, but in the long run, the change is necessary.
zuma
05/03/2008 at 4:04 pm #1888607We still plan on coming, but probably wouldn’t have if there weren’t 6 permanent caches to look for in the park. We now won’t plan on looking for any of the temporary hides unless there is some incentive to do so such as prizes or the like . What disappoints us the most is the timing of all of these events. All of this should have been thought out sooner before people had their plans made for the campout. We’ll probably learn to live with it in the future, but it will be harder to convince us to come to a WGA event. The main thing about the sport is finding caches and we have so many places we want to visit when searching that we’ll never get to them all. In the year and a half that we’ve been geocaching we have been to 9 events and met a lot of new friends, so we do also enjoy the social part of the game. Some of the events had temporary hides and some had permanent hides so we’re not dead set on an event having temps. The burden is now on the board and the WGA as a whole to provide some new incentive to geocachers like us to want to attend WGA events. I really hope that we’ll want to attend and also that the end can come now to hard feelings and the fence mending can begin.
05/03/2008 at 4:55 pm #1888608It’s a step in the right direction. My thanks to the BOD.
..but I agree with Mr. Greenthumb that there should be prizes / incentives for finds at WGA events. We do have a nice tidy sum of cash that we could dip into…
05/03/2008 at 5:01 pm #1888609@Lostby7 wrote:
It’s a step in the right direction. My thanks to the BOD.
..but I agree with Mr. Greenthumb that there should be prizes / incentives for finds at WGA events. We do have a nice tidy sum of cash that we could dip into…
I agree that this is a good idea. Let’s see what we can do.
zuma
05/03/2008 at 5:04 pm #1888610@Mister Greenthumb wrote:
We still plan on coming, but probably wouldn’t have if there weren’t 6 permanent caches to look for in the park. We now won’t plan on looking for any of the temporary hides unless there is some incentive to do so such as prizes or the like . What disappoints us the most is the timing of all of these events. All of this should have been thought out sooner before people had their plans made for the campout. We’ll probably learn to live with it in the future, but it will be harder to convince us to come to a WGA event. The main thing about the sport is finding caches and we have so many places we want to visit when searching that we’ll never get to them all. In the year and a half that we’ve been geocaching we have been to 9 events and met a lot of new friends, so we do also enjoy the social part of the game. Some of the events had temporary hides and some had permanent hides so we’re not dead set on an event having temps. The burden is now on the board and the WGA as a whole to provide some new incentive to geocachers like us to want to attend WGA events. I really hope that we’ll want to attend and also that the end can come now to hard feelings and the fence mending can begin.
Thank you for sharing your views. I really appreciate it.
And yes, there are some perm caches in the park, and I would like to see more perm caches placed. Folks within 100 miles of Gov Dodge have a few weeks left to get em out, if they see fit. As you say, the main thing with the sport is finding caches, so there should be a mix of temps and perm caches, as well as the social aspect.
zuma
05/03/2008 at 5:08 pm #1888611Isn’t being outside with nature, and caching with friends reward enough? Do we really need to be paid for doing something we all love?
I need no incentive to come spend time with friends and hunt some caches. I see no difference in logging one attended log for finding 10 temporary caches. This is no different than when we log one find for finding 10 stages of a multi-cache.
05/03/2008 at 5:56 pm #1888612@tyedyeskyguy wrote:
Isn’t being outside with nature, and caching with friends reward enough? Do we really need to be paid for doing something we all love?
I need no incentive to come spend time with friends and hunt some caches. I see no difference in logging one attended log for finding 10 temporary caches. This is no different than when we log one find for finding 10 stages of a multi-cache.
Hi,
Yeah, this is my way of thinking too. Governor Dodge is a beautiful place, and I am really looking forward to revisiting it. I am also looking forward to seeing old friends, and meeting folks like you and Mr. Greenthumb that I have met here in the forums, but not in real life yet.
I do think that folks sometimes get taken over by operant conditioning, and drool like a Pavlovian dog at the prospect of yet another smiley. I find it best to remember that the smiley is not why I play this game, and as Neil Young once said, “Numbers add up to nothing.”
zuma
05/03/2008 at 8:45 pm #1888613My family and I had a wonderful time at Wildcat Mountain last fall. It was our first WGA event, and only one to date. I personally fell in love with that part of the state. If it wasn’t for the event, we would have never had a reason to go out there. In all honesty, without the temps, we never would have bothered going out there.
A 7-8 hour round trip drive to an area just to drive around for another 30 miles to find ten caches doesn’t cut it for us. It is nice to be able to walk around for 3 hours to find 20 or 30 caches. You get to see so much more up close than you can while driving. I know of at least one person in here who has had an accident while caching.
The membership voted for this change, and I can live with that. The unfortunate thing is, we were looking forward to other WGA events, but will now have to reconsider. Especially with the price of gas. An event in a cache rich area close to home is one thing. A 3 or 4 hour drive to an area with more driving once you get there, I don’t think so. Have fun at the events. I will be patiently waiting for a WGA event to come to my part of the state. Of course there is the possibility of one near by when we are on vacation.05/03/2008 at 9:20 pm #1888614I’ve been trying to stay quiet on this topic, but I just have to say that a majority of WGA members did not vote to no longer log temporary caches.
The majority of members, a whopping 85%, didn’t vote on the issue at all. Which means the action taken by the board was based on the opinion of just under 10% of the active members.Please don’t say that a majority of members voted for something when that is clearly not the case.
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05/03/2008 at 10:32 pm #1888615“The WGA asks that this event be logged only once. The practice of multiple logging of temp caches is no longer condoned by the WGA or considered to be a good practice by much of the geocaching community.”
This statement actually seems a bit ambiguous. Are temp logs “NOT allowed” or are they merely “not CONDONED”? There is a difference.
If they are “NOT allowed”, will they be deleted if logged? If they are “not CONDONDED”, can you really delete something you don’t actually have a firm stand on?
Sounds like rhetoric.
05/03/2008 at 10:46 pm #1888616I’ve been just trying to stay out of this discussion. I have my opinion about logging of temporary caches and events. I’ve done my voting in the referendum and through the BOD vote.
There will still be temporary caches at the event. Nothing changes there. You can still look for them. The BOD has just made a stance on the logging of temps based on the opinions of voters in the referendum (yep, not a majority of members. Members received an email regarding the referendum. If they chose not to vote, we can’t really force them to. I take the absence of votes as an “I don’t care what you do” opinion). The only difference is that we are encouraging folks to visit temporary caches, visit with others, and camp if you choose — just log one “attended” for the event.
If you don’t like the idea of finding caches and not being able to log them, there are some really nice permanent caches in the park (some longer hikes too, which I’m looking forward to!) Perhaps locals might be interested in placing a new cache or two in the park?
So rather than 60 or 70 finds for the day, you might only get 6 or 7. I guess to me that doesn’t really matter. You’ll be in a beautiful park, getting to spend time with people with similar interests to yours. That’s really all I need.
(this is just my opinion by the way.)
Bec
05/03/2008 at 11:24 pm #1888617@furfool wrote:
My family and I had a wonderful time at Wildcat Mountain last fall. It was our first WGA event, and only one to date. I personally fell in love with that part of the state. If it wasn’t for the event, we would have never had a reason to go out there. In all honesty, without the temps, we never would have bothered going out there.
A 7-8 hour round trip drive to an area just to drive around for another 30 miles to find ten caches doesn’t cut it for us. It is nice to be able to walk around for 3 hours to find 20 or 30 caches. You get to see so much more up close than you can while driving. I know of at least one person in here who has had an accident while caching.
The membership voted for this change, and I can live with that. The unfortunate thing is, we were looking forward to other WGA events, but will now have to reconsider. Especially with the price of gas. An event in a cache rich area close to home is one thing. A 3 or 4 hour drive to an area with more driving once you get there, I don’t think so. Have fun at the events. I will be patiently waiting for a WGA event to come to my part of the state. Of course there is the possibility of one near by when we are on vacation.Hi,
Thanks for sharing your view, and I am glad that you enjoyed the event at Wildcat as much as I did. And I do understand that it is great to have a lot of caches to find at the event, and we will still have a lot of temps, and of course there are some perm caches there too.
And you are right about gas prices, they certainly are going up. Personally, I enjoy seeing different areas, and exploring, and I guess buying gas is the price that I pay for that pleasure of seeing new places.
zuma
05/03/2008 at 11:29 pm #1888618@QwertyToo wrote:
I’ve been trying to stay quiet on this topic, but I just have to say that a majority of WGA members did not vote to no longer log temporary caches.
The majority of members, a whopping 85%, didn’t vote on the issue at all. Which means the action taken by the board was based on the opinion of just under 10% of the active members.Please don’t say that a majority of members voted for something when that is clearly not the case.
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Hey,
No need to remain quiet. It is probably best for all to share their views, as that is how decisions are made. So thanks for sharing your views.
Personally, I feel that the vote was well advertised, since all members got an email notification of the vote, and there was a lot of discussion here in the forums about the vote. And the result was that folks wanting the change far outnumbered those who wanted to continue multiple logging.
I do think that the change reflects what the majority of WGA members desire, though there is going to be a bit of angst among those who like logging multiple temps. We will get thru this, and in the end be better off for it.
zuma
05/03/2008 at 11:38 pm #1888619No problem with this. The BOD, as the “owner” of this cache event, can decide what to do with it regarding logging. No different than it always was. If people come to a WGA event and log multiple “attended” for each cache, they’ll still be able to–because gc.com hasn’t put a simple “if-then” edit in the system to disallow it–and the WGA as the owner of the event can decide whether and how to monitor the logs.
On the Left Side of the Road...05/03/2008 at 11:43 pm #1888620@QwertyToo wrote:
The majority of members, a whopping 85%, didn’t vote on the issue at all…Please don’t say that a majority of members voted for something when that is clearly not the case.
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That means the non-voters have no basis for griping about it now that a decision has been made. Maybe if 100% of the population had voted in the 2004 election Walt Brown would have been president. But they didn’t, and we say that a majority voted for Pres. Bush…
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