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09/01/2008 at 2:01 pm #1727032
I feel like hiding a new cache.
No big deal right? Maybe so. I’m currently caching with a Garmin GPS 12 because that’s all I have. That’s a really old model folks. It has a 50′ accuracy. The 1942 Philco Probelmatic GPSr was left behind while on vacation. Heck, the Philco only had a 20′ accuracy at it’s best anyway.
I know that so many of you have been spending bazillions of dollars getting these super fancy GPSrs with incredible signal strength and incredible accuracy. I don’t have, and won’t be getting, one of these newer models.
If I hide this cache and it’s 50′ off from ground zero, lots of folks will be pissed. 50′ is the best my GPSr can do (hey, it’s 50′ for searching too).
The first caches that I found were with an even older model that had a 100′ accuracy if memory serves me correctly. That’s how I learned to hunt caches, get 100′ away and start looking.
Has the accuracy of new GPSrs passed me by? Can I still play the game? What will searchers of my new cache be thinking/saying/grumbling?
I’d sure appreciate some imput from potential searchers.
edited bcause I kant spell.
09/01/2008 at 2:06 pm #1895294People will grumble about coordinates if they are the grumbling kind no matter what you do. If it makes you happy to place a cache, do it. No need to reinvest. IMO, anyay.
On the Left Side of the Road...09/01/2008 at 2:22 pm #1895295Yep, I agree. People who want to complain will. Part of the issue is that noobs coming on the scene don’t get that super tight coords were not easy to get even as much as a few years ago and they expect to find stuff AT GROUND ZERO.
I have made an issue about a few cache location’s accuracy in the past but if I make an issue of it I also post “better coords” at the same time….my frustration with loose coords makes me want to help those who follow me…the cache owner then has the option of being a responsible owner and update the coords or ignore them and leave the coords loose and frustrating….so long story short if the best one has is an inaccurate unit they can update the coords if better ones are posted later on or choose to ignore the frustration of future searchers.
09/01/2008 at 2:24 pm #1895296My first gpsr was a Etrex Legend as a gift. We just replaced it with another the same. Sunshine also has a Legend model. In less than 2 years we have found almost 1100 caches and the only problems with these units has been losing a signal under heavy cover. I’ve hidden almost 70 caches and get very few complaints on the accuracy of the coordinates. We purchased a Nuvi200 (about the lowest price you can get) earlier this year and that has done wonders for out of town trips. It accepts downloads and is easy to use. So our 2 Garmins and the Nuvi cost less than $400. We may go paperless in the future if we can do it affordably, but for now we would rather spend the extra money on gas to travel all around this great state caching.
09/01/2008 at 2:44 pm #1895297@Lostby7 wrote:
Yep, I agree. People who want to complain will. Part of the issue is that noobs coming on the scene don’t get that super tight coords were not easy to get even as much as a few years ago and they expect to find stuff AT GROUND ZERO.
I have made an issue about a few cache location’s accuracy in the past but if I make an issue of it I also post “better coords” at the same time….my frustration with loose coords makes me want to help those who follow me…the cache owner then has the option of being a responsible owner and update the coords or ignore them and leave the coords loose and frustrating….so long story short if the best one has is an inaccurate unit they can update the coords if better ones are posted later on or choose to ignore the frustration of future searchers.
I agree. Another cacher can post coords that they deem more accurate if they are off by 50 feet. If they are only off by 20-25 feet… “Welcome to the Game!”
As far as you using an older model… if it works…USE IT! There should be no need to rush out and buy a new one. If it works for you, that is all that should matter.
09/01/2008 at 3:07 pm #1895298Aww shucks, we’re used to yer’ coords being at least 50′ off 😕 … Don’t worry be happy…
09/01/2008 at 7:40 pm #1895299I have done my share of grumbling over bad coords. I don’t mind so much if there is a clue and/or few hiding places. I start getting frustrated when there is hundreds of hiding places and bad coords. I know, I can’t say much because I have yet to place a cache. This part of the game will have to go by your rules seeing as it is your cache. However, if you are concerned about the coords being more accurate with an older less precise gps, would it make a difference if you were to take an average of different readings over maybe a half dozen trips? With no cache placing experience under my belt, I wouldn’t mind knowing.
09/01/2008 at 7:56 pm #1895300If a cache is in the trees, then averaging doesn’t matter much if you have a GPSr with poor reception in the trees. You’ll get the average of the satelites your GPSr can pick up on the fringe of the tree canopy.
In the past, I’ve averaged several times, then looked at the satelite images to see where they show it. That has, again – in the past – given me “kinda, sorta accurate” coords.
09/01/2008 at 8:31 pm #1895301Good point. I’ll have to keep that in mind.
09/01/2008 at 11:01 pm #1895302If someone you trust does your cache and gives you new cords you can always update your listing.
09/01/2008 at 11:26 pm #1895303I would not let the fact that you don’t have a newer GPS keep you from hiding caches. The Garmin 12s are plenty accurate, and I used one to hide my first half dozen caches (plus find maybe my first 200). When I went back later to with new equipment, my original coordinates taken with the 12 were almost dead on (10 – 20 feet).
Now if you are going to hide a nano is heavy tree cover maybe it won’t give accurate enough coordinates for some folks. But if you hide a nano in the middle of the woods you’ll probably hear complaints about other things other than the coordinates as well. 🙂 A container along the lines of your GC17H0R doesn’t need very accurate coordinates so you might want to hide something like that. 😉
09/02/2008 at 12:19 am #1895304@PCFrog wrote:
If someone you trust does your cache and gives you new cords you can always update your listing.
This is exactly what I was going to say… if you know someone has given good coordinates in the past why not update your page with their numbers or at least average your coordinates and theirs together.
09/02/2008 at 12:23 am #1895305We have a new cool GPSr, but I still use my little yellow eTrex when I’m caching sans Trekkin’. He grumbled a lot about it when we were using it awaiting the arrival of the new one, but we’ve found lots of caches with it. And placed a few, too.
I think this game can be whatever a person makes of it. Yes, some of us use our discretionary income to enjoy the game, but the core (at least for us) is being taken to places we might not discover otherwise, challenges we never knew were available for us to try. Trekkin’ was telling my dad just yesterday that compared to his historical trekking hobby, geocaching has him out in the woods and exploring remote locations WAY more than trekking ever has.
09/02/2008 at 12:34 am #1895306Another thing you could do is you can pick up an etrex H(the new yellow) for $99 that has a newer high sensitivity chipset. It uses a old serial connection to the PC and doesn’t come with the cable so I wouldn’t even consider it because you would spend more just to get it hooked to the PC.
You can also get the VistaHCX at walmart.com has for around $220 all the time(different price in store). it has the same high sensitivity chipset, microSD card slot for maps, color screen, better battery life, compass & altimeter, and a USB connection to the PC. If you order that vistaHCX online you can have it delivered to a local store so you don’t even pay shipping.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6015174Granted if you bought the Vistahcx you would also need to purchase a micorSD card & topo or city navigator maps, but you could just use the free maps found here too(no autorouting): http://www.ibycus.com/ibycususa/
09/02/2008 at 1:54 am #1895307Thanks for the cool link!
Look at it this way. It’s the same thing in reverse. I take my new fangled GPSr and plot a cache and it’s approx. 15 feet accurecy. Someone with an older modles comes out and they tell me that I’m off by 50 feet. And there is many factors. Winter, sping, summer, fall. Rain, clouds, snow, the time a day that there are satallites over head too. There not always the same amount up above. And don’t forget wildlife. They tend to move a cache once on awhile.Here is what happend to me last week. Lloyd Fa,ily from the Twin Cities was up. He has a Colorado. He hit about 2 dozen caches. He goes to one of mine that is pretty easy find. People have been logging finds all summer so I haven’t gone to check it. He logs it as a DNF, says it’s not there. I just happen to run into him. He tells me he thinks it gone, Said his Colorado had him going about 50 feet into the river. I’m like huh? 😯 😕 I tell him it’s under the tree and in something. He tells me, his GPSr wasno where near any trees. I tell him I check it out.
I pull up, go down the hill to the location and it looks like I-94 heading under the tree. I duck under the tree, caches is right where it should be and log it that way. Next day he does log it as a find but with help as he was still off but that he found it with the info I gave him. It’s a case that his Colorado was just plan screwed up. -
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