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01/18/2009 at 11:32 pm #1727587
Would you as candidates support dividing the state into regions, NE NW SE SW With each region of the state having a BOD member as their contact at WGA. also using this regional division to hold WGA events in different parts of the state, Other states like Michigan do this and their spring event and fall event rotate thru the 4 chapters so at least every other year you have a event in your area. The same rotation could work for the Picnic and the Campout. I think this will help some of dissension of the northern geocachers who think that we are members of the SWGA (Southern Wisconsin Geocaching Association)
01/19/2009 at 2:27 pm #1900602I would have to give this concept more thought. I do want to see WGA events taking place up north, because we have our own connections up that way and enjoy the caching we do there as well. Maybe if you could tell us what your vision for this would be, we could all answer with more insight. I know there are some folks from those upper corners who have been nominated, but have declined because of the potential travel to attend the board meeting. If I’m understanding your post, the BOD member in each quadrant would take charge for the WGA events on a rotation, perhaps recruiting local help to make it happen? If so, the idea has merit, and maybe those in the areas who have typically taken charge would actually welcome taking a supporting role in such events. I do feel that for the organization to truly encompass “Wisconsin,” the BOD must look for ways to really include those “forgotten” regions.
I did sit in on a conversation with a WGA member and another candidate this past weekend. The other candidate had some good ideas for ways to reach out and be more inclusive of all areas of the state, but I’ll let him address that. I just wish I’d had that idea myself!
01/19/2009 at 2:43 pm #1900603I started to answer this quickly, then decided to think on it for a while. I wanted to say that I could support this in a modified form, but after considering I realized that our organization isn’t ready for this yet. If you look at the current slate of board candidates, you will see that there are no candidates who live north of the 45th parallel. I expect that several were nominated but chose not to run. That is certainly their choice, but I think it reflects the problems we would run into if we reserved certain board seats for specific geographic regions. I’m afraid that, at this point, we would need to “beat the bushes” for those board candidates and would possibly end up with uncommitted or unwilling board members, who took the role because someone “twisted their arm”. Some people will recall that I have previously taken a different stance on it, but I guess I had to change my mind. I would certainly be willing to consider such a change in the future, as participation grows from the northern half of the state.
The question seems to imply that the current board is somehow doing an inadequate job of representing the northern regions. I’m not willing to concede that this is true, but I will say that there are already a number of people on the board who would be very willing to present proposals from those folks living in the regions without a board member in the immediate area. If you are not sure who to contact, send me an email and I will point you toward a like thinking board member. Communicating directly with board members will be much more effective than posting in the forums. And, of course, everyone can choose to be on one of the committees we have organized, which is a really good way to get your ideas in front of board members.
I personally think the question we need to ask is “How do we expand our membership among geocachers in the northern half of the state?” We already have “logo on cache pages” program, but that isn’t doing much up there. We have talked about welcome wagon type programs and mentoring programs in the past, and I think these programs all have merit. Perhaps another good program would be to harness our “recent logs” information to send an invitation to each person who finds their first cache in Wisconsin. And, of course, more events (both regular and regional) in the northern regions would go a long way toward getting more northern membership.
01/19/2009 at 6:08 pm #1900604@sweetlife wrote:
Would you as candidates support dividing the state into regions, NE NW SE SW With each region of the state having a BOD member as their contact at WGA. also using this regional division to hold WGA events in different parts of the state, Other states like Michigan do this and their spring event and fall event rotate thru the 4 chapters so at least every other year you have a event in your area. The same rotation could work for the Picnic and the Campout. I think this will help some of dissension of the northern geocachers who think that we are members of the SWGA (Southern Wisconsin Geocaching Association)
In a word: No.
But before I address the reasons for my response, I feel I must address your often repeated assertion that MIGO is in some way better than the WGA. It is not. The premise of your question is therefore incorrect.
While I have met a number of fine individuals from the great state of Michigan, and am in fact originally from Michigan myself and in no way want to run down the fine folks associated with MIGO, it is just a fact that MIGO is not as active in building community as is the WGA. Anyone interested can go to the MIGO home page, and see just how much MIGO does at: http://www.mi-geocaching.org/
By the numbers, here is the comparsion;
Number of upcoming events promoted on homepage:
WGA: 9
MIGO: 0Number of news stories the association posted to it’s home page in 2008:
WGA: 22
MIGO: 4Number of posts by members in association’s forums past month:
WGA: Many, way more than I care to count
MIGO: 0Number of association sponsored events in 2008:
WGA: 3
MIGO: 2Number of people attending association sponsored events in 2008:
WGA: 151
MIGO: 126Number of people participating in association’s Lonely Cache Game 2008:
WGA: 66
MIGO: 0Number of people who have completed the state’s DeLorme Challenge:
WI: 21
MI: 0Number of people who have cached every county in the state:
WI: 14
MI: 1I could go on, but I think my point is made. Your assertion that MIGO is in some way better than the WGA is not valid. So, I reject the premise of your question.
I do look at what other state association’s are doing and am in favor in making changes in what the WGA does, when it is apparent that there is something that folks are doing elsewhere that works better than what we are doing.
However, for the most part, having been active in the WGA for a couple of years now, and reading what other state associations do, I am very impressed with the way that the founders of the WGA set up the association in 2001, and believe that the current structure has served us quite well. The current structure has been very effective in it’s early goal of working with the DNR to allow caches in state parks, has been very effective in building a feeling of community among geocachers in the state, has produced 4 state geocoins, holds first class events, and has the most interesting, lively and useful member forum of any state association I have seen.
Therefore, no, I do not support making the WGA more like MIGO.
zuma
01/19/2009 at 7:03 pm #1900605Now to the meat of your question: Should the WGA be split up into 4 regions?
No.
There are better ways to address the needs of the WGA, grow our membership, and improve geocaching in the state.
Take a look at the folks in your area that geocache, and you will notice that there are essentially 2 types of geocachers that you know.
Type 1: The traveler/explorer. This is the type of geocacher who travels over a wide area and caches often, and probably works on things like the DeLorme Challenge or the Lonely Cache Game. This is by far the minority of cachers in Wisconsin, though they tend to be the ones most active in the WGA and in the forums.
Type 2: The local pro/home turf lovers. This is the type of geocacher that likes to stay near to home, and get out and explore and fully enjoy their own back yard. They are the type that may get every cache in their home area, but when the reach the county line, might figure that is far enough to go. This is the majority of cachers in Wisconsin, and the ones underserved by the WGA.
Splitting the WGA into 4 regions does nothing to help the many home turf lovers, so offers no real advantage. They dont really care to travel thru a whole 1/4 of the state anyway because that is still far too large of an area for their interests.
One way that we could better serve the home turf lovers is to allow for the creation of local chapters of the WGA. For example, there could be a Wausau chapter, a Fox Valley chapter, a Waukesha chapter, a Madison chapter and many others. In general, chapters would be small geographic areas about the same size area that the home turf lovers like to cache in. In that way, the people in the chapters would be friends and neighbors who have a lot in common, finding each others caches and confronting the same issues with local parks and land owners.
The local chapters could hold local WGA events, much like what the Minnesota Geocaching Association does with their highly successful “Breakfast Buddies” local events. The local events could be any type of event or day or time of day that the local people thinks works best for them, and would not have to be the same statewide.
The primary goal of the local chapters would be to build community of the local cachers. The local chapters could also be very useful in working with local land managers, with the support of the statewide WGA. Building those relationships are important now, and will grow in importance as the sport evolves.
The local chapters, as I envision it, would start with small groups of people in the local area, and would be charged by the WGA to grow their local membership and build community in their area. The local chapters, as I envision it, would select there own chapter President and choose their own goals for the chapter. The local chapters, as I envision it, would be encouraged to hold local events under the WGA’s name and the WGA would financially support to the extent possible start up of these events. The local chapters, as I envision it, would each have their own forum tab in the WGA forums so that they could easily post to each other topics of interest within the chapter.
Anyway, I think that the best way to meet the needs of the “home turf lovers” type of geocachers is to create an option for local chapters. I think many of those “home turf lovers” are not currently very active with the WGA because we dont do what they need or offer anything of interest to them, but by giving them ownership of the local chapter’s goals we can meet their needs and grow the WGA.
This is a proposal in very rough form, and if I am elected to the BOD I will propose we proceed with this idea in a careful manner. I recognize that the idea of starting local WGA chapters needs much more discussion, exploring options, member input, and other fine tuning to get it right, and I am very open to that.
zuma
01/19/2009 at 7:04 pm #1900606I don’t think that splitting up into regions is a good idea. I think we have something good going on here in WI and with a little hard work and persistance we could have something GR8, with the whole state on board. I’m one that believes there is strength in numbers so lets keep it together. 😛
01/20/2009 at 12:47 am #1900607I know the Candidates corner is not the right forum for this response, but would be hard to understand my rebuttal.
@zuma wrote:
@sweetlife wrote:
Would you as candidates support dividing the state into regions, NE NW SE SW With each region of the state having a BOD member as their contact at WGA. also using this regional division to hold WGA events in different parts of the state, Other states like Michigan do this and their spring event and fall event rotate thru the 4 chapters so at least every other year you have a event in your area. The same rotation could work for the Picnic and the Campout. I think this will help some of dissension of the northern geocachers who think that we are members of the SWGA (Southern Wisconsin Geocaching Association)
In a word: No.
But before I address the reasons for my response, I feel I must address your often repeated assertion that MIGO is in some way better than the WGA. It is not. The premise of your question is therefore incorrect.
While I have met a number of fine individuals from the great state of Michigan, and am in fact originally from Michigan myself and in no way want to run down the fine folks associated with MIGO, it is just a fact that MIGO is not as active in building community as is the WGA. Anyone interested can go to the MIGO home page, and see just how much MIGO does at: http://www.mi-geocaching.org/
By the numbers, here is the comparsion;
Number of upcoming events promoted on homepage:
WGA: 9
MIGO: 0Number of news stories the association posted to it’s home page in 2008:
WGA: 22
MIGO: 4Number of posts by members in association’s forums past month:
WGA: Many, way more than I care to count
MIGO: 0Number of association sponsored events in 2008:
WGA: 3
MIGO: 2Number of people attending association sponsored events in 2008:
WGA: 151
MIGO: 126Number of people participating in association’s Lonely Cache Game 2008:
WGA: 66
MIGO: 0Number of people who have completed the state’s DeLorme Challenge:
WI: 21
MI: 0Number of people who have cached every county in the state:
WI: 14
MI: 1I could go on, but I think my point is made. Your assertion that MIGO is in some way better than the WGA is not valid. So, I reject the premise of your question.
I do look at what other state association’s are doing and am in favor in making changes in what the WGA does, when it is apparent that there is something that folks are doing elsewhere that works better than what we are doing.
However, for the most part, having been active in the WGA for a couple of years now, and reading what other state associations do, I am very impressed with the way that the founders of the WGA set up the association in 2001, and believe that the current structure has served us quite well. The current structure has been very effective in it’s early goal of working with the DNR to allow caches in state parks, has been very effective in building a feeling of community among geocachers in the state, has produced 4 state geocoins, holds first class events, and has the most interesting, lively and useful member forum of any state association I have seen.
Therefore, no, I do not support making the WGA more like MIGO.
zuma
ZUMA, No where in my post, or any other post in these forums, have I said that MiGO is better than WGA. Both are Associations on the same level. We are members of both associations, If we thought one was superior to the other, wouldn’t we just go with that one. We cache in both states equally when we can. My family is from WI and Val’s family is from the UP.
About the MiGO front page, we have just changed website hosts, and only new info since the change is on the front page.
And Your Picking apart the numbers is just pathetic!
Michigan has 10 upcoming events listed, IF YOU WOULD HAVE LOOKED IN THE EVENT FORUMS YOU WOULD HAVE SAW THIS.
1/20/09 Changing of the Guard Flash Mob Event
1/24/2009 Ali Kats 3rd Annual Birthday Bash
2/7/09 Migo winter social
2/28/2009 The Great Dayton Winter Getaway V
3/7/09 – 4th Annual SW Michigan Chili Cook Off
4/03-05/2009 Geochicks 2009
4/24-26/2009 Mackinac Island Geocaching Event
5/29/2009 GCinOHIO GeoFest
6/13-14/2009 So you THOUGHT you were Geocacher Enough Rally
7/23-26/2009 – Midwest Geobash 2009 – Don’t miss it!again about the news stories (see above website server change) but if again you would look at the side links there is a news scrapbook with pages and pages of news info here is a link: http://www.mi-geocaching.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=5&Itemid=34
About the forum posts? Where do u see zero posts???? BTW you have to be a logged in member to access the forums. The former website was hacked and this was added to be a safety measure to stop phishing.
MiGO itself sponsors 2 events a year, but each region has its own events
see 3/7/09 – 4th Annual SW Michigan Chili Cook Off. Each region holds at least 2 events a year so that would total 10 sponsored events a year!About the event totals, I’m not going to check your math, Hopefully you took out the multiple attended logs for the temp caches in WI.
MiGO does not have a lonely cache game, but we do have a cache rescue program (Migo Rescue Mission) which has recovered 451 abandoned caches over the years these would have ended up as geotrash there are currently 81 caches on the mission list as of today. there have been 118 different rescuers of the 451 caches recovered.
Michigan Currently to my knowledge does not have a Delorme Challenge
we do have a UP county challenge (Linda’s Cache Michigan UP GCR7WQ) with 37 finders and a “downstate” challenge (Linda’s Cache Michigan LP GCR7T4) with 29 finders and the final (Linda’s Cache all of Michigan GCR7WR) with 26 findersAgain I am not saying that MiGO or WGA is better than the other. We are pround members of both of them.
Farther on you posted about State coins, Migo has had a state coin each year from 2005-2008 that equals 4 then add in the 4 non trackable season coins for each year from 2005 – 2007 that equals 12 then the 4 trackable coins from 2008 I’m seeing 20 state coins here.
Remember Rusty and Trippy from the Geocoin store were 2 of the founding memebers of MiGO so they have Geocoins in their roots
WGA might have been around a few months more Migo started in April of 2002
Again Im sorry for posting this here but since mud was slung at me, I swing back.
If anyone including you ZUMA would like to discuss this further, you can contact me personally thru emails and not in the fourms if you would like at [email protected]
Sincerely
Barry of sweetlife
01/20/2009 at 4:51 am #1900608For me, one of our greatest strengths is that we are the Wisconsin Geocaching Association .. a state wide organization.
Could we, one day, have a BOD member in each region, yes. Are we ready for that now, I do not think so. If we had representatives from each region of the state running in this election, it would be different. I would support a goal for the organization to work to increase membership, in those parts of the state that are not represented, to bring us closer to that.
I stated this a while ago in the forums but with the Wisconsin Park & Recreation Assocation, we do have 4 regional groups, that meet monthly, that plan their own educational events, that do have a region rep on the Board. I could see WGA working toward that as well.
01/20/2009 at 5:35 am #1900609I continue to hold to my opinion that dividing the state into regions is unnecessary. One of the things I think the organization needs to do is support WGA-branded events in every corner of the state. The details can be worked out later, but the complaint that the WGA doesn’t support the outlying areas has been a recurrent theme, and there is no reason we can’t change that. Again, this is going to require something from members in that area, as the majority of the board will continue to be from the southeastern portion of the state, and they can’t be expected to be the best persons to bring a local event to fruition in Superior, or Ashland, or Eagle River or Mountain. But with help it can happen.
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