Forums Geocaching in Wisconsin General Painless COTM Improvements

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  • #1728197

    Same topic, different focus, different thread.

    The main issues with COTM seem to be, from reading old threads, along two lines: pimping for votes and/or good caches that are too infrequently visited to ever be “competitive.”

    I maintain that there is value to being nominated because somebody took the time to do the nomination.

    So is there a way to improve this without a major restructuring (i.e., separate COTM geographies, etc) or throwing out the baby with the bathwater? Here are two ideas; maybe there are others:

    1. In the WGA forums where the winner is announced each month, the comments are also shown. Could the comments be shown about ALL the nominated caches?

    2. Could said comments be added to the bookmark list, so that under each cache name it would show “Reasons why this cache was nominated include:”

    Possible to do? Yes. Useful? Or is it a big “why bother?”

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    #1907206

    Good ideas ……..

    #1907207

    I don’t think the state should separate into regions and have separate voting & winners, but there is an alternative. Since the Cacher/population Density is Primarily in SE WI why not make caches located in these areas votes not count as much?

    With this method no matter where you live in the state your vote counts the same, its where the cache is located that decides. Obviously we would have to come up with some fair system, but I’m going to use the example of a 3=1 vote.

    If a cache in NW Wisconsin gets 10 votes and a cache in SE Wisconsin gets 30 votes I would say that’s a tie under my purposed method. This seems totally fair since 3X the people will visit the SE WI cache, not because it’s more popular or a better cache, but only because there is more cachers living there.

    This would almost guarantee seeing winning caches start popping up all over the state, Which would make COTM much more useful for everyone.

    #1907208

    I know that this idea is almost impossible to implement, but here goes.

    If a cache gets a vote from someone outside the region where the cache is located that vote counts for 3.

    This shows that the cache is viewed by someone who took the time to visit it from another region to be worthy of the COTM honors.

    Again, I know it is almost impossible at this time.

    #1907209

    Eliminate COTM and expand ways to recommend caches that are more than worthy to visit in each region. As the owner of 99 hides I only have two worthy of COTM. The rest are good hides, but I would be embarrassed if any of them were nominated. I would much rather have a nice comment about a hide or a recommendation for a visit than a COTM award.

    #1907210

    @gkrone wrote:

    If a cache gets a vote from someone outside the region where the cache is located that vote counts for 3.

    The method I mentioned above would work exactly this way, except in the SE WI were most cachers live and the cache would already be getting allot of Visits/votes your vote would only count as one.

    #1907211

    Along the lines of Mister Greenthumb …..

    Eliminate the COTM, and go with a recommended list.

    Any cache that is recommended goes on the list, and have an indication of how many cachers recommend it.

    If a cache gets … say 20 recommendations … it would go onto an honorable mentions (or whatever) list.

    #1907212

    Mister G, we couldnt have said it better or agree with you more.

    Also this would eliminate the cachers who get nominated for their body of work rather than an outstanding cache

    Like Marks idea of showing the number of votes or recommendations a cache gets, however given the population density issue again you could see unworthy caches get honorable mention.

    Being we sometimes travel to cache it would be nice to know what some of the better caches in that area are.

    #1907213

    @kansas64 wrote:

    Being we sometimes travel to cache it would be nice to know what some of the better caches in that area are.

    Thia was my motivation. We’re at a point now where we have to travel to find caches and it would be beneficial to know who the popular cache hiders are and the recommended caches in an area. COTM is more of a kudo to the owner than an assessment of caches in an area. Right now a keep a file of any caches that I hear about that sound interesting. It would be much easier to have some type of reference source to browse.

    #1907214

    There is of course the “recommended caches” forum here but there are two problems with using that as a tool, IMO. First off, you have to sort through stuff and if it’s an old post you’re likely to miss it.

    Second, it does not translate to a bookmark list, which means there’s no easy way to download it, see what’s near you, etc.

    I think there has got to be a way to combine the two concepts and improve on it at the same time.

    There is already a list of “honorable mentions.” But what this list lacks is WHY those are HMs. The WHY is what the “recommended caches” forum has.

    So that gets me back to my original thought, which was to simply add the voting form reasons to the bookmark list. Then you’d have a list of 250+ caches that you could download and see where things are. Then you could check the reasons why caches were nominated to see if they fit your “style.”

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    #1907215

    @gotta run wrote:

    Second, it does not translate to a bookmark list, which means there’s no easy way to download it, see what’s near you, etc.

    So, what you are saying is that I have been wasting my time maintaining a bookmark list of all the caches in the Recommended forum?

    You can find it here. It is also listed in the sticky post at the top of the recommended caches forum.

    You will note that I generally include a note as to who recommended a particular cache, which, of course, would not be included in a pocket query.

    #1907216

    Maybe the best question to be asked is what does the BOD (not individual BOD members) think of the COTM and if it needs changes?

    I know from another issue BOD members have told me they prefer to be reactive rather than proactive, so since this has been going on for quite awhile (in one form or another) what is the BOD’s opinion?

    #1907217

    @Team Deejay wrote:

    So, what you are saying is that I have been wasting my time maintaining a bookmark list of all the caches in the Recommended forum?

    What I am saying is I missed the big blazing sticky at the top of the forum on multiple occasions. 😳 My apologies.

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    #1907218

    @marc_54140 wrote:

    Along the lines of Mister Greenthumb …..

    Eliminate the COTM, and go with a recommended list.

    Any cache that is recommended goes on the list, and have an indication of how many cachers recommend it.

    If a cache gets … say 20 recommendations … it would go onto an honorable mentions (or whatever) list.

    If we distill the purpose of the COTM down to it’s rewards, what are they?

    1. Recognition of outstanding caches that you’d recommend to other cachers for the experience, the scenery, the challenge, the creativity.

    2. Recognition of the cache creator.

    If a a system is created to address no.1 then no.2 is a forgone conclusion and the actual COTM tag is rendered pointless. And that’s teh sentiment everyone seems to be voicing here. That it’s really about highlighting some kind of experience that is worth the time and effort to do and not about making someone’s cache page look more interesting.

    Because the reasons are so vast from one’s enjoyable cache to the next, the process for rating them would have to be really well organized with categories for just about every aspect of what makes caching fun and what makes caching not so fun.

    Then there’s the fact that many cache placers would be upset if they saw low rankings on their listings, and the potential for abuse by some vindictive cachers, which makes the whole comments thing very appealing. I like the list, but honestly, if you ranked caches in the valley, a majority would be in the list and then what purpose does is serve? Just go out and do them all, right?

    I always like the idea of a cache ranking system but it all sounds to complicated. I think that I am just going to put a simpler overall “cache-o-meter” on my own caches for others to dial in their experience and see if that gets me anywhere.

    In the end NO system is going to be perfect, and a ranking system would be far from it. It would take out the in-voting to a degree since all caches would be evaluated with a current and cumulative ranking.

    So, i don’t know anymore if there’s a solution, but I do know that we can do something to improve the current COTM system, if that’s what we set out to do.

    #1907219

    @Team Deejay wrote:

    @gotta run wrote:

    Second, it does not translate to a bookmark list, which means there’s no easy way to download it, see what’s near you, etc.

    So, what you are saying is that I have been wasting my time maintaining a bookmark list of all the caches in the Recommended forum?

    I’m certainly biased toward my own caches, but only 1 S|S cache on a recommended list of almost 500 alongside a whole bunch of others that I have done, which I wouldn’t recommend to others, tells me this method too is subject to cache owner bias and regional emphasis.

    Like some other “must do” bookmark lists, I wouldn’t trust this one to be a good representation of the best ones out there either. And I certainly wouldn’t use it…

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