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    The recent farce about no find in 48 hours ……. well!?

    1. Many cachers – probably 99% – do not do puzzle caches.

    2. Most puzzle caches – such as the ‘normal’ cemetery caches – are usually easy. Add a real puzzle, and you loose almost everyone else.

    3. Where is it? Oh, out in the boondocks. As in, not close the any area with lots of cachers. Or puzzle solvers. Another big loss in the numbers who might hunt it.

    4. Time of year? Cache size?

    End result, not much potential action. Even for FTF hounds.

    BTW, multi caches follow puzzles closely. Most cachers will not do them, no matter how easy they might be. So………..

    #1920179
    JimandLinda
    Participant

      Looks like multiphobia has mutated to puzzlephobia! 😯

      #1920180
      Trekkin and Birdin
      Participant

        Let us not forget letterboxphobia! 🙄 (At least when they’re listed like a real letterbox…only one find on our last two).

        #1920181

        Well said Marc! I personally would be proud that somebody couldn’t just run out to my puzzle cache right away. It would say I put a lot of thought into my cache!

        #1920182
        amita17
        Participant

          Funny this topic came up when it did. Last week or so I had a similar e-mail conversation with gotta_run about the cache we just placed. I was well, confused probably best describes it. It seemed like whenever I would read a FTF log, it was always someone racing out upon receiving notification, and just beating the second and third finders. I had been out in the area that first day, and saw no one. I even had my own FTF, which is not a regular occurrence for me. Gotta_run explained some of the same factors Marc listed. It made sense. Thanks for educating those of us, well, all of us, who are still learning 🙂

          #1920183

          This is why most of our new caches are either puzzles, or high terrain caches, etc. It filters the gene pool. Yes, I do not want every cacher to find our caches. So there, I said it.

          On the Left Side of the Road...
          #1920184
          huffinpuffin2
          Participant

            Ahhhh, but you still need Mortar to hold the Bricks together, or the whole fun house will come tumblin’ down.

            #1920185

            @marc_54140 wrote:

            The recent farce about no find in 48 hours ……. well!?

            Now it’s a farce? I see. I’m only here for your amusement. 😕

            Did you open a new thread because the previous thread was closed?
            If you had information you wanted to share with me, could this perhaps have been better served to me via pm?

            I’ll assume you’ve clicked on my user and determined that I haven’t been registered on geocaching for more than a few months. Sorry I don’t know all the fine intricate details that comes from the experience of caching for several years and logging thousands of finds.

            I didn’t create a thread because I was complaining. Did it seem to you that I was complaining? Well, I’m sorry that with the presence of so many different personalities around here, and with the absence of tone, eye contact and other body language, only 10% of whats really said in a message actually makes it across in the intended context.

            In the time I’ve been geocaching, most of which has been in the winter,
            I’ve seen new caches last only a few hours, even in fresh snow and sub-zero temperatures and, SURPRISE, a few miles outside of town away from the area where cache placements are most dense.
            If that wasn’t enough, an ISLAND CACHE, away from town that lasted only a few hours before FTF. An island a half mile away from the mainland at that.

            I’ve chased a FTF opportunity, well outside of town, at night, in below-zero temperatures because I knew it wouldnt last long.

            What else can I think other than NEWLY PLACED CACHES don’t last more than a couple hours; regardless of where they’re placed or what type of cache they are?

            And then I place one. 48 hours goes by, and Im sitting here scratching my head… Surprised.
            “Did my puzzle really stump some people?” –I wouldnt think so… It wasnt that hard.

            I even made note of it myself, that timing wasn’t ideal. The weekend had already come & gone before the reviewer published it. I KNOW that didn’t help it much.

            I can only go off of what I know–What I knew was new caches don’t last long before the FTF gets it. Was I wrong to assume that?

            When I posted on the forum, I was more or less promoting it, trying to be somewhat subtle. I was saying, “hey, theres a new cache here, come get it!” Why? Because I worked hard on it. I was proud of it! I wanted to share it!

            I only got upset after another member posted some kind of joke that would be perceived as some sort of hint. “How very uncool”, I thought.
            A lot of you guys pointed out that 99% of cemetery caches are hid in Cedar trees. Well, my experience grabbing cemetery caches so far has been quite the opposite. I’ve found one in a bush, in a stump, in an oak tree… Sad to say only one in a cedar tree.

            If he knew the Cemetery where the cache is, that guy probably wouldnt have said what he said.
            Maybe this place only has 2 or 3 cedar trees in the whole place, and the rest are those types that lose their leaves in the winter months…
            Are there really cemeteries like that? Well, I can name at least one.

            And the 4 people watching it… What to think of that.
            Im not foolish enough to believe they’re watching it because it’s such an interesting cache. They’re watching it because of the drama it created and the spectacle it has become. I’ll be lying if I said I wasn’t embarrassed.

            #1920186

            HeliDude, correct me if I’m wrong.
            It looks like your puzzle cache will take two trips to figure out. One for the numbers on site, and another after getting the rest of the info from the Net. If that is the case, then the potential for a quick TFT is limited. If not, and all of the information is available on site, then you might want to make that clear on the description page.

            I wouldn’t be too concerned about the “drama”. Now that there’s a find on the cache, it will soon be forgotten and most cachers won’t even know there was any.

            #1920187

            I’ve seen new caches last only a few hours, even in fresh snow and sub-zero temperatures and, SURPRISE, a few miles outside of town away from the area where cache placements are most dense.

            I’d be willing to bet almost all of those were traditional caches or two stage multi’s.

            As you gain more experience, you’ll understand that traditional caches are far and away more popular than multi’s and puzzle caches. Some, heck maybe even many, people simply WILL NOT bother with multi or puzzle caches, no matter how easy they are. Puzzle caches in particular. I was guilty of that when I first started out.

            If you place a multi or puzzle cache, you have to know up front that you’re placing a cache that only a small percentage of geocachers will seek out.

            And then I place one. 48 hours goes by, and Im sitting here scratching my head… Surprised.
            “Did my puzzle really stump some people?” –I wouldnt think so… It wasnt that hard.

            I’m not a great puzzle solver, so don’t read too much into this, but it stumped me 😯

            #1920188

            I called it a farce because it degenerated into ……. well??

            Not entertainment. I would only make fun of someone I know. Enough said.

            #1920189

            ….and PLEASE. Keep this one on topic! That applies to everyone!

            The topic is the fact that most cachers will not do puzzles or multis.

            #1920190

            Known fact. Place a traditional single stage cache and it will be found right away. Place any other type of cache and it may sit awhile.

            I no longer have a notification setup on publishing of traditional caches. It makes it much easier to ignore them. I only get notified when new puzzle caches get published. I enjoy reading new puzzle cache ideas.

            #1920191

            @marc_54140 wrote:

            ….and PLEASE. Keep this one on topic! That applies to everyone!

            The topic is the fact that most cachers will not do puzzles or multis.

            To which it seems everyone agrees. So to quote someone….”What’s the point?”

            On the Left Side of the Road...
            #1920192

            @gotta run wrote:

            @marc_54140 wrote:

            ….and PLEASE. Keep this one on topic! That applies to everyone!

            The topic is the fact that most cachers will not do puzzles or multis.

            To which it seems everyone agrees. So to quote someone….”What’s the point?”

            Hmm. Are you stirring the pot, or asking a question? OK, I’ll go with the latter.

            Hopefully I’ll get the info across to a couple of cachers, new or old, who may not have known or thought about this before.

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