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    If someone logs a “found it” but doesn’t physically sign the log book, and their reason for not signing it is, “we found the cache but couldnt reach it” (because they didn’t try hard enough) would you delete the log?

    Deleting it will make me the bad guy, I’m pretty sure.

    #1927060

    I looked to see which cache it was of yours and considering the container I would delete their log. However, I would send them a message and give them a week to go back and do so. Every cache isn’t for everyone. If they are not “agile enough” to do a hide like this there are plenty more to hunt.

    #1927061

    This is a very sensitive subject matter, obviously. Its almost taboo to ask such a question. If the log was by a new cacher with far fewer finds, the decision would be easier.

    My cache is in a a tricky location. Terrain difficulty could vary between 2.5 or almost 4 all because of 3 or 4 inches this way or that based on how the previous finder rehides it.

    I did go check on the cache immediately afterwards, and I have no doubt the cacher physically located it. I did move the container a few inches back to make it better accessible to more cachers.

    #1927062

    If it’s a terrain 2, it should be pretty accessable. An older or less agile cacher should reasonably expect to be able to get to it. If they can’t, the terrain rating might be wrong. Since we’re not talking about a know-it-all noob with an entitlement complex, I would leave the log.

    #1927063

    @HeliDood wrote:

    If someone logs a “found it” but doesn’t physically sign the log book, and their reason for not signing it is, “we found the cache but couldnt reach it” (because they didn’t try hard enough) would you delete the log?

    Deleting it will make me the bad guy, I’m pretty sure.

    Discretion is the better part of valor.. or something like that. If someone knowingly admits to not being able to reach the cache but logs it as a find, I will usually send a PM to the logger and ask, in the nicest tone possible, if they can change the log to a write note. I would certainly do so for someone who logs Out On a Limb, Takes Shelter, Strung Out… you get the idea. Those caches are ALL about the final hide and getting to them as finders can attest to.

    But, if depends on the circumstances and season. In winter I’ve stated that if you can put your hands on an S|S cache but can’t open it because it’s frozen shut or you fear you may break it, then I’m fine with a bye and a find. Better that than a broken container. Besides, signing the log, for most of my caches, is just going through the motions and if you’ve made it that far, well, you’ve made it.

    #1927064

    I can say from first hand experience…I had a S|S cache in my hands (with photographic evidence of me in the hidy hole) but I failed to sign it as I didn’t recognize it as the container….a note was posted. Had I logged it as a find and had it deleted I would have been cool with that.

    #1927065

    I agree this is a tough one. I didn’t research the cache or the cacher.

    There are three caches that I have seen, but I haven’t logged. I am a bit acraphobic and I know my limitations. (I am starting to do more climbs).
    I would probably delete the log after some communication with the team in question. I would understand if it was a frozen issue, but not I couldn’t get there.

    #1927066

    @Lostby7 wrote:

    I can say from first hand experience…I had a S|S cache in my hands (with photographic evidence of me in the hidy hole) but I failed to sign it as I didn’t recognize it as the container….a note was posted. Had I logged it as a find and had it deleted I would have been cool with that.

    That was a nice picture.

    #1927067

    I have a cache that this has come up on, I emailed the two finders and inquired from them exactly where the location was, what type and the color. They answered my questions well enough that I left the logs.
    I personally always take a picture of the cache and put a note in my find log saying that if the cache owner wishes I can send them a picture or delete my log. Haven’t had a problem yet.

    #1927068

    I’m 6’3″ I tend to to place my caches above my head(to keep them winter friendly ya know.0 Now is someone who is vertically challenged, they may have an issue. I would let them claim it as a find. But them some of my hides I do raise the difficulty a bit if was part of the challenge of the cache was in the retrieving. Sorta like putting a cache on an island or over the cliff.

    Here is one example of mine. They did find the cache after wards also.

    If they gave it the “Old Collage Try” and effort, I’d let the log stand.

    #1927069

    I was in the same boat on one of my caches.
    there log said (we saw it but gee.. dont carry a ladder with me,so we are claiming as a find.
    I said nope”I sent them a PM and then deleted there log”explaining that according to GC rules log book must be signed to claim find.
    they came back the next day with proper equipment and made it to the cache and SL. they then said thank you for the fun and making us accomplish it properly.
    I saw a 5/5 cache in Peoria that was 150 up in the air on a bridge but I didn’t claim it as a find,and if i did i am sure my log would have been deleted and I would have excepted that because that’s not what the CO would have intended the caching experience to be.

    #1927070

    I tend to believe most cachers are honest and if they see a cache high up in a tree, they’ll at least attempt a climb. They may get halfway there and realize it’s beyond their ability. Or maybe it’s the last few inches which get them. Or the first few inches. Maybe they don’t even start.
    As the cache owner, you get to decide if they get an 🙂 for effort. If you feel like their “try” equates enough to what you intended the cache to be, let the log stand. If you feel as though reaching the cache and signing the logbook is what makes it a find, then delete the log and tell the cacher why.

    I don’t look at the “sign the log book before you can claim a find” rule as anything but a means of verification in case of a dispute. If an owner wants to be a hardliner about it and check the physical log and delete any finds there is no signature for, that is their choice. Personally, I’m more flexible and would give the matter some thought before making a decision. I’m not going to just invoke the “no sign=no smiley” guideline. But, that’s me.

    #1927071

    Having physical handicaps we find it impossible to climb most trees. If we have an idea a cache is in a tree that is not doable with one arm we either skip it or go with someone else who can climb. This can be frustrating if we have traveled a long way. On occasion we do ask the owner if we can log for finding the cache way up in a tree that we have no way of climbing.
    TE

    #1927072

    Just weighing in on the topic on this topic since we just had a similar experience. As a finder, we worked through a multi and got to the final location. The area was flooded but we managed to fish the container out of the water but for the life of us, we couldnt open it. It was all slimy, muddy and algae covered. Short of coming back with some monkey wrenches the top wouldn budge. We emailed the owner explained the situation and asked if we could log it as a find, even though we could not sign the log.

    We have done this with other caches that are either frozen in place or in one case the ammo box was covered in ice. In all cases so far, we have explained the situation and the owners have given us the nod.

    On the other hand as a hider, we have seen logs that indicate the finder did not sign the log. This would upset me that they claimed the find but didnt explain why they couldnt sign the log. Finally, I decided, if that is how they want to play the game, its their prerogative. If they can live with themselves knowing they didnt sign, what does it affect me? It might change my opinion of a cacher, but I have not asked anyone to delete their log.

    The one exception to my statement above was one cacher did claim a find, then wrote me a nasty note for putting a cache so far up a tree that he didnt feel comfortable climbing (he was a noob and was quite upset about a number of things about the cache). I tried to nicely point out that the point of a level 4 terrain was to climb the tree and I did not consider it a find. He deleted his log.

    #1927073

    @SammyClaws wrote:

    The one exception to my statement above was one cacher did claim a find, then wrote me a nasty note for putting a cache so far up a tree that he didnt feel comfortable climbing (he was a noob and was quite upset about a number of things about the cache). I tried to nicely point out that the point of a level 4 terrain was to climb the tree and I did not consider it a find. He deleted his log.

    We tried this cache back in December with our 13 year old granddaughter Emma and decided to wait for better conditions to make the climb. We did spot the cache way up in the tree, but posted only a note. We took Emma back last weekend and let her climb the tree for find #1000. It’s not a hard tree to climb, but the cache is way up there.

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