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04/14/2010 at 1:07 am #1729949
There are dozens of threads on the WGA forum about the varying views people have of cemetery caches.
I for one, have no problem with the WSQ caches. When done right and in good taste, they’re a great thing.
some time ago, Marc made a great post about why we visit cemeteries in the first place. Here it is:
@marc_54140 wrote:Some people, for whatever reason, do not like cemeteries. That’s personality.
If you are not sure, thing about these things:
1. Cemeteries are the final resting places our ancestors, friends, etc. But we place stone there, telling their names, dates, other odds and ends about them. Why? Well, for anyone who visits, so they know something about the person before whose grave they stand. Might be a relative, or just a passerby.
2. Cemeteries are meant to be visited! Ask a caretaker, or manager of the site, whatever. You are sure to be told to come back, and often! Cemeteries celebrate life, and death. I know of cemeteries that hold art fairs on site. Car rallies, cemetery walks (where you get to met a ‘stand in’ for the person lying there), plays, art tours, etc.
Still not certain? Next you go for a geocache in a cemetery, do not hunt the cache. Instead, walk up and down the aisles. Look at ten different stones. Read the names, the dates. Who was this person? What did he or she do? Cause of death? Family? Relatives nearby? Children?
Cemeteries are living history books, carved in stone. Only, these books do not last. Many stones in older locations are so faded you can no longer read them. For everything under the sun, there is a time………..
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Like I said, I don’t have an issue with cemetery caches, especially if they’re done in good taste.
But there comes a point when WSQ caches cross the line..
That is, when the cemetery is used for no purpose other than an excuse to place a new cache. Remind yourself, Cemeteries are not parks.The reason I bring this up, is because lately I’ve been seeing a crop of “WSQ” done in poor taste. I’ll elaborate–
The caches I have an issue with do nothing to identify the cemetery.
They do nothing to identify or memorialize those who are buried there.WSQ Caches with “cute names”. (you know what I mean) Totally Inappropriate. Save your “cute names” for caches you place in parks or elsewhere.
Caches placed too close to the graves. I’ve found caches that required a person to stand on a grave to retrieve a cache.. I’ve found another that was hidden in the bushes that was part of the memorial. Not in good taste.
A new cache in my area totally crosses the line. I intend to personally address the Cache Owner regarding this cache. Its a WSQ that honors a cartoon character.. And no, the cartoon characters creator is Not buried in the cemetery.. Its just a themed cache with a WSQ title.. One that would be better placed in a park, NOT a cemetery.
I think it would be a good thing if the WGA can educate the community on what is appropriate and what isn’t when it comes to cemetery caches.
04/14/2010 at 2:47 am #1927465I have to agree that all WSQ caches should be respectful of the intended use of the burial grounds.
I dont know haw many WSQ caches I have done, but likely several hundred, and I dont recall a single one that required you to stand on a headstone or was disrespectful in any way. From what I have seen Wisconsin’s cache owners have been very appropriate in their WSQ placements. There may be a rare exception out there, but I have not yet run across it.
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04/14/2010 at 3:44 am #1927466I was with Marc yesterday and did maybe a half dozen WSQ caches, and I noticed that he looked at the placement of the cemetery (is it on a hill? Nice view? All stones face the East?) that type of thing. He looks for unusual stones and notices if there are any special military flag holders from the civil war or GAR. We noticed what we thought was a very special round stone set in the ground, but it turned out to be from a headstone 10 feet away that had fallen from it’s “setting” atop another headstone.
What I noticed was his total genuine interest in almost every aspect of our visit with the geocache being a bonus to our being there.
Cemetery’s are like open history books that are meant to be visited and read before the words on the page are ravaged by time. I found my great great grand parents stone in Greenville that is all but unreadable. He died in 1860 and may very well be one of the earliest Greenville pioneers buried there. I find that fascinating 150 years later. 5 or 10 more years of acid rain and the marble will be unreadable. We need to remember the dead before the markers are gone. 😉
04/14/2010 at 3:58 am #1927467Im not talking about standing on headstones, just graves (that area that extends about 6 feet in front of the headstone) I won’t walk over or stand on any graves, I think walking over people is disrespectful.
If someone has to stand on a grave to retrieve a cache, then the cache is placed too close to the grave.
Someone else on the forums here posted here a few months ago about a cache that had people standing on headstones.. Thats definitely no good.
04/14/2010 at 4:02 am #1927468I also agree that cemetery caches should be respectful. I don’t think caches are required to “identify the cemetery” or “memorialize those who are buried there”. This may be your “ideal”, but others may differ.
I don’t want to start a big discussion on walking on graves, but it isn’t generally considered disrespectful. How do you think they get mowed? It’s more like a phobia some people have.
Keep in mind the Wisconsin is a big state. We don’t have a crop of WSQs in my area, so I’m not aware of the ones you are referring to.
04/14/2010 at 4:49 am #1927469My bad about the standing on a headstone thing…..I must have misunderstood the original post and I will edit if it’s not too late.
Like Team Black-Cat, I will not get into a discussion about walking on graves.
04/14/2010 at 12:15 pm #1927470Some of my favorite caches are in cemetery’s and I have also not seen any pointedly disrespectful hides in them. But if you have, do email the owner or post a “Needs Archive” note on the page if you really feel the cache is disrespectful. A reviewer is notified automatically and can look at the details.
04/14/2010 at 12:22 pm #1927471I’ve only visited one WSQ that I thought was borderline inappropriate in all that I have hunted.
I am not going to point fingers just say that I agree with others that we should respect our surroundings no matter where we are geocaching.
While I won’t comment on exactly where to walk in a cemetery, I do tend to navigate through a cemetery in a respectful manner. Not running in a bee-line to ground zero but walking on paved roads, paths, and along the rows observing my surroundings and respecting them.
If you are offended by a cache theme, name, placement, etc you have the right to contact the owner and express your opinion. Even post that opinion in the log if you want others to know how you feel.
04/14/2010 at 2:25 pm #1927472I don’t feel it’s ‘wrong’ to walk in front of a grave marker. Many people kneel or sit down directly in front of them when visiting. But to require someone to enter that space for the sole purpose of retrieving a cache might be one of those gray areas. If the CO intended the hunter to go to that specific marker and take note, great. If it was just a random selection because of the tree near it, not so great.
04/14/2010 at 2:38 pm #1927473Abusive seems like a pretty harsh word. We have sought many WSQs and do not know of any that require you to stand on a stone. If we would we would walk away and DNF it. We do this on caches that we can’t find a way to get to with out breaking the “rules” no matter where they are.
TE04/14/2010 at 10:49 pm #1927474@Timberline Echoes wrote:
Abusive seems like a pretty harsh word.
I’m not using the word to be harsh. I’m using it because I feel people are abusing the “WSQ” title and abusing cemeteries for cache placements. Again, they’re NOT parks.
If the cache has no connection to the cemetery, then IMO the cache doesn’t belong there. And I feel very strongly about that!
04/14/2010 at 10:55 pm #1927475The best part of caches with the WSQ designation (and part of the reason for its inception) is that you can easily ignore them if you find them distasteful.
04/14/2010 at 11:29 pm #1927476I also believe that WSQ’s should be in good taste, and that proper care should be taken when placing, and finding these caches.
However, my headstone will be a cache. I invite you all to come (some day way down the road!) walk where you will, sit and talk a few, even hold a flash-mob, as long as you are respectful to the folks I’m lying next too. Yeah, it’ll be a puzzle cache. 🙂
04/15/2010 at 1:06 am #192747704/15/2010 at 1:14 am #1927478When we first started caching we thought it was kinda weird to look for caches in cemeteries. It gave us a funny feeling. Now we enjoy cemetery caches, no more weird feeling. A lot of the time we don’t just look for the cache, we take a little time and check out the cemetery itself. We have not seen one yet that was disrespectful. Heck sometimes I even take pictures of headstones for my family tree and at first people that was rather morbid but now most enjoy it. It is a good way to preserve family history, after all, someday that headstone may be unreadable.
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