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05/03/2011 at 3:01 pm #1731922
I mentioned irresponsible caching behaviors in another post. I know this is not the group to address, but I’m wondering if we can all put our thoughts together to address it.
I did a cache this weekend in a lovely little spot that was placed with the private landowner’s permission. I had the good fortune to meet this gentleman and talk with him a bit. The cache was missing a critical piece which had resulted in someone placing it differently (and safely) for safekeeping. The man shared that he has found people trying to bust open the plexiglassed (and locked) display case, pulling way beyond the clearly defined gravel parking area and other actions that concern him. He said he talked to the guy pulling right up to the display case and the guy’s response? “I wanted to park in the shade.”
This cache was placed to be easily found with out damage to the area. The distance from the parking area to the cache is less than 100 feet.
These are the kind of things, along with questionable placement practices, that will kill the game if unchecked. I apologized to the man on behalf of fellow geocachers. How do we as a community help ameliorate these kinds of problems so we don’t lose our playgrounds?
05/03/2011 at 3:50 pm #1947738This is disturbing to hear, especially since this is our cache. We are disabling the listing and will most likely archive it, since any damage to this spot is unacceptable. We’ll be contacting the property owner to apologize.
05/03/2011 at 4:28 pm #1947739a·me·lio·rate /əˈmēlyəˌrāt/
Verb: Make (something bad or unsatisfactory) better.
🙂There is a very small percentage of cachers who just plain “don’t get it”. They are as clueless and/or careless in everyday life as they are in the caching world.
Unfortunatly, anyone can play.05/03/2011 at 5:17 pm #1947740I belive it fall in the catigory of respect. I have passed on a few caches that I have had trespassing concerns. You get the same selfish responce’s from people who park in handicap parking. I was raised to respect my elders and other people’s property. If force or distruction is needed to retrive a cache, there is a 100% chance that is not where it is.
05/03/2011 at 5:42 pm #1947741@Team Black-Cat wrote:
Unfortunatly, anyone can play.
And this is why cache owners need to be active and monitor their cache logs.
Captain and Mate – It’s sad to see a cache get pulled because of the actions of irresponsible players but I commend you for being the responsible (and active) cache owner and addressing the situation.
If we cannot do anything about the idiots that may come along, the best we can do as a community is address issues that may arise with the caches we own and not be afraid to pull a cache if necessary.
05/03/2011 at 6:07 pm #1947742Sad to see this one go, I feel lucky that the boys & I were able to visit it on a beautiful day of caching in the area. It is completely foreign to my thinking, what would make someone think they could behave like that here? Just thankful that we got our chance to share this place and truly appreciate that the landowner was willing to allow us here.
05/03/2011 at 8:56 pm #1947743Sounds like a wonderful place. I’d love to have the chance to visit here some time. Might I suggest making this a premium members only cache, rather than archiving it altogether?
All opinions, comments, and useless drivel I post are mine alone and do not reflect the opinions of the WGA BOD.
05/03/2011 at 10:01 pm #1947744@BigJim60 wrote:
Sounds like a wonderful place. I’d love to have the chance to visit here some time. Might I suggest making this a premium members only cache, rather than archiving it altogether?
That’s a good idea. Right now, we’re waiting to hear from the property owner regarding his feelings on the matter. If he wants the cache to remain, we will give that a try.
05/04/2011 at 12:19 am #1947745I wasn’t trying to call out a specific cache, but his comments were of a shoulder shrug nature. He knew it was placed to be easily found, and couldn’t understand how some people were in such a hurry. Very nice guy, and I enjoyed talking with him about the wonderful work he’s doing, too.
05/04/2011 at 12:48 am #1947746T&B – I think you did a great thing by talking with the property owner. In essence you were “another cacher”, but yet showed there is a variety in cachers just like people. If I were the owner I’d give way more weight to the pleasant discussion of the person that cared than the park & run crowd, but that’s just me. KUDO’s for going the extra mile and having this chat with the owner.
05/04/2011 at 1:17 am #1947747@Trekkin and Birdin wrote:
I wasn’t trying to call out a specific cache, but his comments were of a shoulder shrug nature. He knew it was placed to be easily found, and couldn’t understand how some people were in such a hurry. Very nice guy, and I enjoyed talking with him about the wonderful work he’s doing, too.
We want to emphasize that we appreciate the info. passed on to us by T&B in this forum. We’re concerned that the cache in question may have caused some problems, but are trying not to overreact. We appreciate the kind remarks others have made here and hope this cache still has some life left.
Getting back to the original topic, we agree with Cheeto that we all need to be vigilant and take appropriate action regarding our hides when necessary. As for how to head these sorts of problems off in the first place, we’re not sure, since you can’t fix stupid in most instances. In any case, we can all try to spread the word whenever possible to promote responsible caching behavior.
05/04/2011 at 3:55 pm #1947748There are plenty of premium members who are irresponsible also. I know of one member who destroyed a cache in my area that was very creative and I’m sure took some time to come up with.
05/04/2011 at 6:42 pm #1947749@Team Black-Cat wrote:
Unfortunately, anyone can play.
Yep.
On the Left Side of the Road...05/04/2011 at 7:07 pm #1947750Sorry, but I beg to differ = Nope.
IMO, the sport really can’t be exclusionary.
As TBC notes, there is a small percentage of problem cachers….for whatever reason.Expect them, prepare for them, and then deal with the problems caused by the few.
05/04/2011 at 7:18 pm #1947751Thank you T&B for bringing this up. It’s actually a topic that has been weighing on my mind for some time now. I believe the future of geocaching could potentially be in danger if we, as a geocaching community, fail to step up and address some of concerns that outsiders have with our game.
A couple steps we, as individuals, could do to help keep the game great would be to maintain our caches from start to finish, tactfully raise legitimate concerns about cache placement (not quality. Quality is purely subjective) with cache owners either via log, or PM, and set a good example as cache placers by being conscientious and responsible in our placement.
However…I truly believe the greatest amount of responsibility for keeping the game great and viable for the future lies with the managers of the game’s largest website, Groundspeak. They write the guidelines and can ultimately decide the appropriateness of certain types of hides and practices. I have personally spoken with officers, land managers and have had a friend speak with a local mayor and school district officials about cache placements. While all have been generally supportive of geocaching in general, their concerns have sat with me for some time.
Two officers that I have spoken to basically thought that geocaching was a nuisance as both had questioned geocachers in the past, one at an electrical box and one was at a cache located just outside of a building. A friend who asked about a potential cache placement in a small local park in Augusta was advised to place the cache at a larger park outside of town to avoid raising suspicions in the smaller park. Not even a questionable hide, just a too much in the open, so law enforcement suggested a safer place. A DNR guy told me he denied a request because there were “too many” caches there already. The examples go on and on.
I don’t believe geocaching will die from within, people leaving the game for whatever reason since there is such a wide variety of caches that appeal to all sorts, but instead could potentially be killed from outside influences as the game grows and grows and more and more people start playing. I could see the DNR pulling the plug on all hides on DNR managed property due to density problems, placement issues, complaints from hunters etc… I could see villages, cities, counties getting tired of bomb scares, officers questioning geocachers at questionable locations, etc…and making it illegal to place caches on municipal property. The game as we know it could potentially be permanently compromised if the geocaching community fails to be proactive. If Groundspeak and local associations were to work closely with law enforcement and local governments, I just have a feeling that things would end up changing.
Personally, as a start, I would support a change that would eliminate caches being placed on municipally owned structures (signs, bridges, buildings, etc…), caches not allowed to be placed less that 50 feet from a roadway, and caches prohibited from being placed on private property unless proof can be given that the property is owned by the placer. (tough for the reviewers I know but…) Anyway, this is just one man’s opinion. 🙂
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