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07/24/2011 at 1:50 pm #1732192
I know a lot of people think my wife’s hides are on private land, but the ordinances state other wise. I was recently at cache didn’t notice the private property/no trespassing sign and got the cache behind it in a thicket. As we were leaving we noticed the sign. Now we tried to place one of ours and it is clearly marked where it is private land so we placed it on the public side, but we found out that it won’t be published because GC.com thinks it is on the private side. How can we prove that it is on public land.
On a side note, how do we prove that it is far enough away from another cache? (the now archived organically good was 725 ft away in a less “suspicious spot” but they only said it was 582 ft away.)
07/24/2011 at 4:46 pm #1950430Ok here goes. I have not found any of your caches yet since I live 100 miles away from them so I can not say for sure about your hides. I have read the other thread about your caches up there. You do not say what kind of gps your useing. If its a cell phone then cords can not be trusted, go out and buy a handheld GPS to get more acurate cords.
As for one cache being to close to another, walking distance is not the same as a straight line. That is how distance is figured and straight line is what is used for proximity to another cache. Try this link http://boulter.com/gps/distance/ However archived caches do not count so my guess would be that there is a final to a puzzle that is to close to the cache you want to place.
Now as far as Private Property. If your that close it would be best to give up on getting it published. No sence in causing any trouble with the land owner that has the land posted. Even though you may think it is a great spot for a cache, sometimes it is best to pass on it. To protect the sport, keep the peace with Johnny Law and the Public just give that one up.
You also might consider showing up at some of the events that are in your area. You can learn a lot from other cachers.07/25/2011 at 1:14 am #1950431Just to clarify. There is a puzzle final in the vicinity of where “Organically Good” used to be. Obviously outside of the 528′ (as the crow flies) of “Organically Good” or it never would have published. As a general rule puzzle finals are supposed to be within about a 2 mile radius of their bogus locaion, but considering the area, that makes many puzzles a candidate for a conflict.
07/25/2011 at 4:42 pm #1950432I know where that puzzle one was. I just wish that the person in charge of publication of new caches would have a better map.
On another note, we are attempting to contact land owners to get permission.
07/25/2011 at 5:09 pm #1950433I have been archiving some of my caches in Greenville and some other owners have too. Feel free to plant a few there. I could use some new close to home finds! 😀
07/25/2011 at 5:21 pm #1950434If Ma is in the mood, which she is usually
07/25/2011 at 6:29 pm #1950435@Hardinfam wrote:
…Now we tried to place one of ours and it is clearly marked where it is private land so we placed it on the public side, but …
A “Private Property” sign does not necessarily demark public land from private.
If you missed the sign, what’s to keep any number of cachers from missing the sign also? You are inviting problems that should be avoided.07/25/2011 at 7:55 pm #1950436@Hardinfam wrote:
I know where that puzzle one was. I just wish that the person in charge of publication of new caches would have a better map.
You’re not going to get any map that is better than what the reviewers use. You need to start looking for places that are definitely public land and even if it is public you still should be getting permission for all caches. You might want to read Groundspeaks cache hiding guidelines.
07/25/2011 at 8:00 pm #1950437A “Private Property” sign does not necessarily demark public land from private.
Exactily why I suggested to give up on the cache. Thats all we need is more angry property owners. Squash one blade of grass and the world comes to an end. We sure dont need Geocaching to come in front of the Legislators.
07/25/2011 at 11:19 pm #1950438I agree that we should error on the side of caution. Ultimately, we need to do what the land owner wishes on whether a cache should be there or not. Since there is a “Private Property” sign in place, then we have to go by what the sign states and not enter that area.
For this cache, you need to ask yourself which has the greatest impact: Having the cache there and upsetting the land owner? or Archiving the cache and not potentially upsetting the land owner?
We all have our opinions on this issue, but with your cache, it’s ultimately your decision.
07/26/2011 at 12:33 am #1950439@Hardinfam wrote:
I know a lot of people think my wife’s hides are on private land, but the ordinances state other wise. I was recently at cache didn’t notice the private property/no trespassing sign and got the cache behind it in a thicket. As we were leaving we noticed the sign. Now we tried to place one of ours and it is clearly marked where it is private land so we placed it on the public side, but we found out that it won’t be published because GC.com thinks it is on the private side. How can we prove that it is on public land.
On a side note, how do we prove that it is far enough away from another cache? (the now archived organically good was 725 ft away in a less “suspicious spot” but they only said it was 582 ft away.)
In answer to your question, most counties now have interactive GIS maps available that show who owns what parcel of land.
The GIS map for Outagamie County is here: http://outagamiecowi.wgxtreme.com/
I took a look at the map and the cache of yours mentioned in the other thread that was archived due to complaints of nearby residents.
From the map, it is pretty clear that the cache was on land owned by the Town of Kimberly, therefore the reviewers were correct to publish the cache, as best as I can tell.
Groundspeak is very sensitive to complaints from the public, and will generally archive anything that gets any type of complaint from the public, especially if law enforcement is involved. Note that just because “law enforcement is involved” in of itself means nothing. It does not mean any laws were broken. It just means someone complained to law enforcement, and the police are looking into.
The reality may very well be that the cache was placed appropriately on public land. But often, perception becomes reality, and if someone perceives it otherwise, Groundspeak takes the option of erring on the side of caution, and trying to offend anyone.
thanks for the question, and thanks for placing caches
zuma
07/27/2011 at 4:43 pm #1950440From past experiences hunting and fishing. Sometimes “no trespassing signs” are put in place by landowners to detour access to public land same as in some areas where public land signs are in place and then magically disappear.
***Opinions expressed are mine alone and will change based upon new information. ***
07/28/2011 at 1:33 am #1950441@Team Northwoods wrote:
From past experiences hunting and fishing. Sometimes “no trespassing signs” are put in place by landowners to detour access to public land same as in some areas where public land signs are in place and then magically disappear.
Yeah, I have seen this a lot of times too, so you have to take No Tresspassing signs with a grain of salt.
Most counties have interactive GIS maps now. To find the one for your county, just google the name of your county and GIS.
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07/28/2011 at 2:42 am #1950442It still ceases to amaze me that everyone feels the need to cram everything into an urban environment instead of exploring the great outdoors. There is so much untapped DNR land available it’s not funny. Oh I forgot – nobody wants to walk more the 20′ for a cache.
07/28/2011 at 3:05 am #1950443Here is a great website that I use often at work for pulling building permits depending on the county involved, you can most of the time even get the landowers name and address. Some are road map based, some are satellite map based, but should help alleviate some of the “private land” questions
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