A question about Multies?

[cheezehead]

A new cacher was planing a multi series at a particular spot. Someone placed a new cache across from this spot. Does the 1st stage need to be 528 feet from the location of the other?
The final for the multi would be a quite a few blocks away.

[labrat_wr]

If I understand the rules correctly, yes, any waypoint container placed should be 528 ft from any other container, unless said container is part of the multi, then it can be any distance but should be far enough away to prevent someone from stumbling upon it out of order (ie. finding WP4 before WP3). Now if they are virtual waypoints used for information gathering, I am not 100% sure but they may be closer than 528 ft.

Disclaimer : Always answering to a higher power.

[Grandma & Grandpa]

I just asked a similar question of a reviewer, in regard to rearranging some caches of mine in order to squeeze in another. I was told one ammo box cache needed to stay 528′ or more from the first stage of my multi, which is a metal strip hanging in a tree. If it is part of the multi, the distance requirements are the same as for a cache.

Not sure why this response appeared elsewhere. I musta pushed the wrong button!

[sandlanders]

From geocaching.com under Cache Listing Guidelines:

“Cache containers and physical stages should generally be separated by a minimum of 0.1 miles (528 feet or 161 m). A physical stage is defined as any stage that contains a physical element placed by the geocache owner, such as a tag with the next set of coordinates or a container. Non-physical caches or stages including reference points, trailhead/parking coordinates and question to answer waypoints are exempt from this guideline. Additionally, within a single multi-cache or mystery/puzzle cache, there is no minimum required distance between physical elements.”

So it’s my understanding that two separate caches, whether owned by the same cacher or by two different cachers, need to have all parts 528 feet from each other. However, within the same multi, you can have less than 528 feet between stages, whether virtual stages or physical stages. We have a five-part multi where some of the stages are 400 feet apart and some are .12 miles apart, etc.

[sandlanders]

@cheezehead wrote:

A new cacher was planing a multi series at a particular spot. Someone placed a new cache across from this spot. Does the 1st stage need to be 528 feet from the location of the other?
The final for the multi would be a quite a few blocks away.

If this planned first stage is just a sign or something to read/figure numbers off of, it would be OK to list, I would think.

[Lostby7]

@sandlanders wrote:

So it’s my understanding that two separate caches, whether owned by the same cacher or by two different cachers, need to have all parts 528 feet from each other. However, within the same multi, you can have less than 528 feet between stages, whether virtual stages or physical stages. We have a five-part multi where some of the stages are 400 feet apart and some are .12 miles apart, etc.

Correct. If it is your multi you can have the WPTs as close togeather as you like…if it’s another cache of yours or someone elses then you need to follow the 528 rule for any physical marker or container (virtual items such as signs which you use for information gathering alone are exempt from the 528 rule).

[-cheeto-]

@sandlanders wrote:

@cheezehead wrote:

A new cacher was planing a multi series at a particular spot. Someone placed a new cache across from this spot. Does the 1st stage need to be 528 feet from the location of the other?
The final for the multi would be a quite a few blocks away.

If this planned first stage is just a sign or something to read/figure numbers off of, it would be OK to list, I would think.

Not if you mark that waypoint (sign or what have you) as a stage of a multi. Doing so reserves that spot in terms of proximity I believe. If you list a waypoint as a reference then there are no proximity rules regarding that waypoint.

[Team Deejay]

Actually, even if you list a virtual stage as a SoaM waypoint, it still will not be considered a physical stage. We used to do this, but it was too inconsistantly enforced. If it is a physical stage, it needs to be at least 528 feet from all other physical parts of OTHER caches. The only exception is firetacks.

[-cheeto-]

@Team Deejay wrote:

Actually, even if you list a virtual stage as a SoaM waypoint, it still will not be considered a physical stage. We used to do this, but it was too inconsistantly enforced. If it is a physical stage, it needs to be at least 528 feet from all other physical parts of OTHER caches. The only exception is firetacks.

Thanks for that clarification!

[Lostby7]

@-cheeto- wrote:

@Team Deejay wrote:

Actually, even if you list a virtual stage as a SoaM waypoint, it still will not be considered a physical stage. We used to do this, but it was too inconsistantly enforced. If it is a physical stage, it needs to be at least 528 feet from all other physical parts of OTHER caches. The only exception is firetacks.

Thanks for that clarification!

And now I’m wondering about the whole firetack loophole…. 😉

[CodeJunkie]

Back to questions on multi’s. I’ll use the following 2 caches for illustration only. There is nothing particular about these caches, owners, etc. These caches just happen to be very near home and have the requirements for my questions.

Cache #1 – WSQ Iron Posts (GC1P70X) is a puzzle cemetery offset. The cache states “you must seek this offset container 575 feet WEST of the “post”ed coordinates”.

Cache #2 – Trees for Tommorow (GC1VEB0) is a traditional with parking / trailhead wp’s.

Questions
1) Do the posted coordinates of cache #1 qualify for the 528′ foot rule? Or just the final location? Technically there is no container here and really no need to visit the posted coordinates to find the cache.
2) For cache #2 – I’m assuming the parking / trailhead wp’s don’t count as part of any 528′ rule.
3) Is there a special designation on the WP’s listed on the cache that are included / excluded from the 528′ rule?

[Team Deejay]

1. No.
2. Correct.
3. Parking, reference point, question to answer, and trailhead are not considered for proximity. Stages of a multicache and final location are, but if we understand that the SoaM is actually virtual, we won’t consider those either. If the location is virtual, please use question to answer as the waypoint type. (Reference point is intended for scenic views, points of interest, and the like.)

[CodeJunkie]

@Team Deejay wrote:

1. No.
2. Correct.
3. Parking, reference point, question to answer, and trailhead are not considered for proximity. Stages of a multicache and final location are, but if we understand that the SoaM is actually virtual, we won’t consider those either. If the location is virtual, please use question to answer as the waypoint type. (Reference point is intended for scenic views, points of interest, and the like.)

SoaM translated = ????

[lone_gunman]

stages of a muti

[huffinpuffin2]

Twisted Question: Is there a maximum distance allowable between stages of a multi?? E.g. 1 Mile? 10 Miles? 100 Miles?

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