are you deleting temp caches?

[-cheeto-]

Give in to the dark side, it’s your only hope…

[furfool]

This is where I stand on this issue: If it is a named waypoint with coordinates that is meant to be found as a cache, and I find it, I log it. However, I don’t care what one does one way or the other.

Here is some data taken from the above posts about temps:
For temps-2
Against temps-1
Doesn’t care-6
For but doesn’t care-2
Deleted them but doesn’t care-6
I can’t tell one way or the other-7

Of course this is completely unscientific.

[Team Honeybunnies]

This bugbear will continue to rear its head as long as there is a geocaching.com. There will continue to be interest in logging caches that were found at events, including walking miles and miles and working on some fiendishly clever hides. And there will continue to be a very vocal constituent that consider this to be cheating of the lowest order.

I will state immediately that we do not log temps, and am of the opinion that it doesn’t matter one way or the other if others do. We have logged multiple stages of caches when the cache owner has specified that we may in the description. We have a discrepancy of 49 logs of this sort, and I can account for at least half of these from the following caches:

Nicolet Forest Tour: 3 logs (18-stage multi with three loggable containers)
?: 7 logs (7 puzzles, 7 containers, 7 logs)
NEW Solar System Jupiter: 5 logs (difficult and fun)
NEW Solar System Saturn: 4 logs (3 trips for a difficult early cache)
NEW Solar System Mars: 2 logs (Aaagh! WP2!)
Roman Eyeballs: 2 logs (Bonus cache after finding the final of a puzzle)
Jones Springs Multicache: 4 logs (great area with 4 big containers spread over miles)
The rest I would have to dig.

Some of those caches were among our first 100-200 finds and Wow! did we ever earn them. A few of these are on our favorites bookmark list as some of the most rewarding caching we have done. In no way do I feel that we somehow “cheated” by logging these.

The analogy that I have mulled over comes from golf. I golf my way, others golf their way. Some will take a mulligan if their drive goes in the drink, or kick their ball out of a particularly bad lie, or any number of other things. At the end of the day we are both filling out scorecards and are both comfortable with the game we play. We meet in the clubhouse and enjoy each other’s company, perhaps play a round together from time to time. When we are playing the links the same day in our separate fashions we have no idea what type of game the other is playing, and in the end don’t really care, as the game is about one’s own achievement, not anyone else’s. No fingerpointing, no name-calling. If this were tournament play things would be different, but geocaching isn’t (Thank God!).

The rub comes in where geocaching has the numbers on display for all to see.

Who here plays Monopoly with Free Parking? A show of hands please? And all the Sopranos fans out there will remember Tony Soprano and Bobby Baccalieri nearly killing each other over that one…

There does seem to be an evolution going on, with fewer multi-log multis and more caches with coordinates that lead you to a mystery cache, and from there to another mystery cache, and so forth. Not much different except that they have different GC numbers for each. Were the old multi-log caches wrong for doing it the way they did? No, not really, just different.

Flame on!

[LMcGisme]

@gotta run wrote:

I’ve got a nice little park in mind for a mutli-cache. There’s about 20 trees with knotholes just perfect to hold filmstrip cans and, wouldn’t you know it, I have 20 cans right here. I’ll put a log scroll in each one and record them as 20 different waypoints in the cache listing. Most are just a few yards apart and, since I want people to find all the waypoints, I’ll keep the coords viewable on the cache page just to be sure. Since each can has a log I’ll allow people to log each waypoint as a find, whether they find 1 or 20.

The difference to the purists–besides permanence–is that this is published as a multi-cache and not an event. Of course, I could always archive my multi at any time…

I don’t see the difference here – the “purists” still see it as one gc.com id = one found it (or attended). The multi-cache = one id = one smiley – regardless of the number of waypoints or if they each have a log book.

There’s a multi-cache like that near me – 9 waypoints, each an ammo can, each with its own log book, over 5 miles walk to get them all. Of all the finders only one has logged a ‘found it’ for the separate waypoints, even though the owner allows it. The rest of the finders have logged it as one cache, one ‘found it’ smiley. I don’t think that multi-logging events/multi-caches is as nearly as prevalent as it appears from reading these forums.

I fall more into the purist camps for my own logging, and don’t really care how others log their finds. But I do find it ironic that those who say the numbers don’t matter and they aren’t just pumping up the find count seem to be the same ones saying that an ‘Awards Event’ would be a great idea, and posting in the milestones/congrats threads. Obviously the numbers matter, even if only for bragging rights, or the milestone threads and events wouldn’t happen.

All MHO, of course

[gotta run]

@LMcGisme wrote:

I don’t see the difference here – the “purists” still see it as one gc.com id = one found it (or attended).

My point was that while I’ve seen various threads on the evils of temp cache logging (on the main gc boards) I haven’t run across complaints regarding mutli logging of multi-caches. In fact, it seems well contemplated by the “cache owner makes the rules” comments. Now, it’s very possible I’ve just missed those other threads because I haven’t read them all. I may have time on my hands, but not THAT much. 😉

So the point of my illustration was to “illustrate absurdity by being absurd.” A ridiculous–but “allowable” scenario. That was all.

On the Left Side of the Road...

[furfool]

Here is another log on the fire. Anyone here doing, or has done, the DeLorme Challenge? Isn’t that just a giant multi? Is anyone deleteing the caches that completed the required pages after the challenge was completed? Or, are you keeping each logged stage of this giant multi as a find? Sorry. I guess I’m getting away from the original thread. I just like a good debate.

[marc_54140]

@furfool wrote:

I guess I’m getting away from the original thread. I just like a good debate.

You like to stick the poker in the fire, and stur things up! Admit it!

This will remain one of many debates in Geo-caching that will continually be raised in forums, and never be resolved.

[Team Honeybunnies]

@marc_54140 wrote:

You like to stick the poker in the fire, and stur things up! Admit it!

Heh, heh. Might want to put a 😉 on that one Marc. I know your tone on this one, but they might not.

[Team Honeybunnies]

We could always step back and look at it from an outsider’s point of view…

After they are done giving you a bewildered look, ask you if you win anything, or how deep you have to dig, they will be very hard pressed to understand that a physical cache in the woods with a log and trinkets is not in fact a geocache, but another beast entirely.

Also explain to the new family with their shiny new GPSr, that these caches aren’t for logging, only for finding.

The layers on the onion come for those who have been playing for a while and have to make a choice as to what their position will be on these concepts. The casual cacher I would guess is confused by all the acrimony.

[marc_54140]

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[LDove]

Log ’em how you want – have fun, it HURTS nobody. To the contrary – if someone is finding happiness by getting a few hundred extra smilies and enjoying this game – SO WHAT? There are so many things in this world to make us unhappy and sad, enjoy yourself. 😀 If you have the time and really want to know a “somewhat true” count for someone who logs temp finds, just subtract their event logs from their total. Rough estimate there. Being sarcastic now: Now quit worrying about everybody else’s stats and go out and find some caches. Okay off soap box and back to normal nice self… 😉 (edited to add: Last statement directed at folks from out of state or wherever who constantly grumble about this topic, not the original poster).

I agree that temp caches in general should not be allowed if they have a GC.com number. It is too much work for the reviewers. I also think if they put a “found event cache” way to log temp caches at events this whole subject could finally go away and make everybody happy including the critics. The powers that be, however, at GC.com don’t seem to want to hear it.

I wonder when people will start picking apart how many geocoins you find, discover, whatever. I realized the other day that a coin I was trying to log (accidentally) I had already in my inventory 😈 woooooo! me BAD! 🙄

[Sudie]

blah blah blah blah
same stuff, dfferent day
who cares?

[TyeDyeSkyGuy]

@Sudie wrote:

blah blah blah blah
same stuff, dfferent day
who cares?

Thanks for bringing this topic back to the top. 😕 Here I thought it would just go away. 😯

😉

[gotta run]

Thanks for bringing this topic back to the top. Here I thought it would just go away.

It’s like your 5-year old picking at a scab…it never goes away.

Oh wait, did we just make a “new post” alert on this thread now too?

On the Left Side of the Road...

[OuttaHand]

I haven’t read the boards for a while. I come back and read the same ol’ — same ol’

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again this way:

There were coordinates to a hidden cache, and I used my GPSr to find it. That’s a cache! and I found it!”

That means I log my temp finds in case you didn’t get that. 🙂

So to paraphrase a slighly similar saying:
“They can have my temp finds when they erase them from my cold, dead account.

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