Building a cache

[John Robie]

I have come up with an idea for a new cache. My problem is I can’t figure out if it breaks any rules or how well it would be recieved. I am looking into a Pirate cache modeled after Pirate maps. The inital lat/long would get you to the first cache. That cache would give you directions like 50 paces SSW to the Dead Mans tree. There you would find another cache giving you more direction. I would write it up as a milti and I can’t find any rules against this kind of cache, but I am new to this and don’t know all the ins and outs of the game. Any thoughts out there?

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[Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu]

A very creative cache in deed. The regs state that all the Way Points of your multi should be a minimum of 0.10 miles (or 528 feet) apart from any other exisiting cache in the area. Therefore, make sure there isn’t any other close by. Otherwise, just follow the info on the placing of a cache. I aways make a note to the reviewer that I have checked distances, that it is located on public property and not near a RR track, if that issue comes up.

Good luck!!

Anne

[LightningBugs Mum]

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Originally posted by Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu:
The regs state that all the Way Points of your multi should be a minimum of 0.10 miles (or 528 feet) apart from any other exisiting cache in the area. Therefore, make sure there isn’t any other close by.

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I believe the reviewers will want to see the coords to every step, even if a GPSr isn’t used to find it by the cacher. So include them in your reviewer’s note too.

Sounds like fun!

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Team LightningBugs
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[EnergySaver]

I’ve done caches similar to this … my “Port Puzzle” comes to mind.

#1 Other people that responded are wrong. On a SINGLE cache with multiple steps, a Multi, each step does NOT need to be .10 miles apart. That rule does not apply to the STEPS of a SINGLE cache. Only if you did say 3 REGULAR caches, that give you coordinates to a MYSTERY cache … such as my now retired “Valley of Oz” series … do you need to keep them .10 miles apart, because each of those “counts” as a cache … someone doing that series of mine count 4 finds (3 “lead caches”, 1 final mystery).

#2 Yes, you can do creative NON-GPSr steps … I did so with “Port Puzzle” as well as another cache I’m planning now. But, you did need to disclose coordinates to the approvers. They need to view aerial photos of the hiding spot, which requires coordinates, even if the finders don’t get to use them.

[Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu]

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Originally posted by LightningBugs Mum:
I believe the reviewers will want to see the coords to every step, even if a GPSr isn’t used to find it by the cacher. So include them in your reviewer’s note too.

Sounds like fun!

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YEAH….. That too!!

[Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu]

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Originally posted by EnergySaver:

#1 Other people that responded are wrong. On a SINGLE cache with multiple steps, a Multi, each step does NOT need to be .10 miles apart. That rule does not apply to the STEPS of a SINGLE cache.

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Let me put it THIS way…it depends on the Approver. Digital Dan and myself have had some interesting issues with multi WPT caches we have placed, in that the Approver wanted to know each WPTs coords. The after reviewing we were told they were too close together on some. We could even prove on some other approved caches that their WPTs were not EVEN REMOTELY 0.10 apart. So…. we might be right but we might be wrong… depends on the Approver. I know for certain Dan had to re-adjust a number of WPTs, on one of his caches, before one Approver was happy. He darn near said the heck with it!!! I just make sure I ALWAYS go at least 528 ft between WPTs. But…..try it!! Can’t hurt!

Anne

[This message has been edited by Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu (edited 10-01-2005).]

[LightningBugs Mum]

So what this seems to be boiling down to is:

1. Get the coords for every step.

2. Bounce the idea off the approvers before actually submitting the cache (in other words, email them the details). Either one of them would probably tell you that it’s either OK as it is, or will tell you what needs to be changed.

I have a multi where the steps are less than .1 miles apart, but of course they are both more than .1 miles from any other cache.

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Team LightningBugs
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[CBMB]

It’s been done before, and very well I might add! MR Andersen & Geo Twins did it in June of 2003 (and won COTM in AUG 2003).
The cache, Greybeard’s Lost Treasure (GCG95H), is one of my favorites.
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=e19526a6-cc8f-457d-a162-423df77cbefd

Perhaps you can get some help from them on setting yours up.

~MB

[Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu]

See what I mean.. others seem to be able to get things approved without a problem. Hmmm??!!??!!

Guess the Approvers got it out for us ..

Oh well….such is life I guess. Can’t say I’ve ever had much of anything just HANDED to me. Except a Parking ticket once. LOL

[Miata]

The biggest key was to keep any one stage of the cache at least .1 miles from another active cache in the area like someone else said.

If it’s only your multi stage in the area, I’m not sure the .1 mile rule would be a big deal. You may need to explain to a Brian that it’s a cool hide and that it’s not some lame 5 minute multi.

[CBMB]

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Originally posted by Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu:
See what I mean.. others seem to be able to get things approved without a problem. Hmmm??!!??!!

Guess the Approvers got it out for us ..

Oh well….such is life I guess. Can’t say I’ve ever had much of anything just HANDED to me. Except a Parking ticket once. LOL

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WOW! That’s quite a statement! The cache I noted earlier, GCG95H, was approved over two years ago. The game has changed since then. Some good…some bad.

I don’t believe that the approvers “have it out for” ANYONE! They have a set of regulatons they have to follow before activating a cache. Though it may be different than in past years, it’s still a set of regulations they aggreed to follow when accepting the job as a VOLUNTEER approver. If you are having issues with getting approval on a cache, perhaps you should ask what they would do if it were their own cache. Perhaps they can help make it something that will pass the guidelines set by Groundspeak.

I also don’t believe that anyone has had a cache approval “handed” to them. While we may at times not have agreed with a cache, it doesn’t matter. The approvers found it to meet what Groundspeak allows, so the cache was activated.

I for one am very happy to have this very small group of VOLUNTEERS looking out for our caches!!!

MB

[Buy_The_Tie]

[EnergySaver]

I agree with CB & MB that the approvers are being fair and living by the rules.

The only time something has not been approved of mine is when it didn’t meet approval for a guideline reason. I think I have a good relationship with the approvers, yet they “smushed” something I sent in this past weekend. It was something wrong that I missed and they were right to reject my cache.

I suspect, as someone else stated, maybe the problem in this case involves distance to someone else’s cache, not the steps of the cache your submitting. Remember that all part of YOUR multi, must be 0.1 mile or greater from any part of some other cache, including another multi.

Remember with multi’s or mysteries, you may not know where all of the steps of it are located (because that’s a secret), BUT the approvers have all that on file.

[CBMB]

I’m not quite sure why a new thread was started w/ the following, but it was so I cut and pasted it here:

Author Topic: One more comment on Help with caches!!
Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu
Member
Posts: 232
From:Two Rivers, WI, US
Registered: May 2004
posted 10-03-2005 10:46 PM

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I just want to make a comment about our cache reviewers. They do a great job and I KNOW they really don’t have it out for us. When placing a cache just do the best you can and the reviewers will help out with info on how to make it better. For my sanity… I keep all my stages or simgles 528+ ft apart from my other stages and from anything else. That way I shouldn’t have to worry. I also put a note to the reviewer that I have done so, but sometimes they DO know more about what is out there and do have to have us move stuff.
Anyway… we really do appreicate the awesome task these people take on for reviewing and appreciate it all. So, place you caches, have them reviewed, fix what ya gotta fix and lets continue making Wisconsin one of the best states to cache in!!

Thanks Reviewers!!!

Anne

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Seems to me that this should have been posted on this thread, but…whatever! (Can you say “back-pedaling?”)

MB

[Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu]

I debated on placing it in THIS thread but was affraid some people might not see it. Therefore I opted putting it on it’s own. The reason it was written in the first place is that I received an e-mail in concern of issues I might have with the reviewing process or reviewers. I just wanted to the it known that I realize they are not really out to get me/us, etc. and they do a fine job.

I didn’t realize it was going to be such a big flippin issue to make a new topic, but I guess I must be utilizing valuable resources or something by posting it there. I just wanted those who may not come back to THIS topic to understand my comment was not to be negative towards the reviewers. I’ll remove it as not to cause any other problems. Since you were kind enough to copy and paste it here, I won’t need to do so again.

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