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@greyhounder wrote:
Just my thoughts on this:
At this point the number of people voting in the poll is not a significant enough sample sized based on the population of WGA members to really mean anything. If 300 people were voting, then I would see some significance.
BecI agree with more people voting we would have a more accurate poll, but in reality this reasoning just downplays any results we do get. will we ever get 300 votes on this poll? I highly doubt it, COTM never even gets as many votes as this poll.
The real issue is that COTM does need to be updated. you can disagree with me but the 4+ page topic mentioned above by Rcsnowball says otherwise.
http://www.wi-geocaching.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1625It’s interesting that bookmark lists are being partially blamed. Looked back and found that only seven series have won COTM, and of those it looks like five won before public bookmarking was available: The Subs, The Universe, Cheesehead Trivia, High Brass and Scatterbrains 2. Which leaves us with The Yellowstone and Chippewa River Trails, both sterling series. That’s a humongous pile of talent for only seven months worth of winners stretching back to ’02.
Honestly, I see the nomination of series as a non-issue. Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of it’s parts. Route 66 is an American icon. If you made me nail the greatness of it down to just the hotel with the concrete teepees, a lot of people would be left scratching their heads. But add in the burger stands straight out of American Graffiti, the unique signage, beautiful scenery and maybe a tourist trap or two, and you have something.
I did the complete Yellowstone series before some revisions changed a few caches. It wasn’t the bridge to nowhere in Hudson, or the hardware at Butte des Morts, or touring the old breweries of Milwaukee. It was the building sense of what it was like when it took days to travel across Wisconsin and every town was a small town. The unique little places that have no place in our current society. That’s what probably made it COTM.
The Milky Way series down in Milwaukee is all about one really, REALLY well-crafted string of multi-caches. They haven’t made it yet, but they might…
As for the metro areas getting the attention, we’ve seen Lone Rock, Peewee’s Small Falls, Willie’s Mountain Cache and Dr. Evermore and Lady Eleanor. All outside of the southeast and all outside metro areas. Even the ones in cities are getting attention outside the southeast, with Metamorphosis, Shaun’s Castle and Jesus’ Tomb. And this is just in the last year. The only area still lacking attention is the Northwoods, but the body of cachers up there is growing, and if they really love it, one will make COTM.
COTM only brings attention to quality caching. It’s not a stamp of approval. We should welcome everyone into the tent as long as their caches make us smile. I’ll be interested to see where the vote ends.
@Team Honeybunnies wrote:
It’s interesting that bookmark lists are being partially blamed. Looked back and found that only seven series have won COTM, and of those it looks like five won before public bookmarking was available: The Subs, The Universe, Cheesehead Trivia, High Brass and Scatterbrains 2. Which leaves us with The Yellowstone and Chippewa River Trails, both sterling series. That’s a humongous pile of talent for only seven months worth of winners stretching back to ’02.
You may want to go back and check, of the 7 series caches that have won COTM 4 were within the last year. Of those 4 all are listed using a bookmark list.
So 4 out of 12 caches within the last year to win COTM have been series caches….. I can definatly see a tread towards COTM trully becoming series cache of the month.@hogrod wrote:
@greyhounder wrote:
Just my thoughts on this:
At this point the number of people voting in the poll is not a significant enough sample sized based on the population of WGA members to really mean anything. If 300 people were voting, then I would see some significance.
BecI agree with more people voting we would have a more accurate poll, but in reality this reasoning just downplays any results we do get. will we ever get 300 votes on this poll? I highly doubt it, COTM never even gets as many votes as this poll.
The real issue is that COTM does need to be updated. you can disagree with me but the 4+ page topic mentioned above by Rcsnowball says otherwise.
http://www.wi-geocaching.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1625Actually, I agree with you on this issue. I think COTM nominations should be for caches with a single GC number. Preaching to the choir with me.
My comments on the number of votes is simply a statistical observations. Even if a majority of of voting members are for/against a topic, this does not represent the majority of WGA members (well, it could, but that would be extrapolating data, which is sorta like making generalizations based on a few opinions.)
And yes, for the last few months we have had quite number of votes. I’ve been excited by the amount of traffic COTM has had since we moved to the new forum.
Believe me, I’m keeping my eye on this!
Bec
Okay, I guess my math was a bit off, I forgot about the Leopold Legacies and I counted the Solar System as before bookmarking.
I doubt either of us will convince the other to change their viewpoint on this topic. The votes have been there to make these series COTM. The voting has also made the majority of COTMs single caches. I don’t see this as a “growing problem”, I see it as good caches getting nominated and winning.
I don’t see series as having an unfair advantage. People are just as likely to try a series as a single cache, and most series are geographically isolated to an area just like a single cache. The cachers in that area are usually the biggest supporters in the voting.
I also recommend caches regularly that will never see COTM. I feel the recommended caches forum is underused, and I could put something in there after every weekend of caching if I wanted to. This state is full of quality caching. But that’s an entirely different subject 😀 .
COTM = Cache of the Month – not caches. Any one cache in a series can be nominated. There should also be a CSOTY = Series of the Year if so many want to vote on it. I think almost all series are great due to the time and effort put into them. 😆
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