Caches in residental neighborhoods

[Crow-T-Robot]

@Hardinfam wrote:

The problem isn’t the hides always sometimes it is the finders not using common sense.

If someone finds an ammo can in a stump but instead of rehiding it in the stump, they set it down on the ground, that’s not using common sense.

A cache hidden in someones front yard, if you search for it, you run the risk of someone reporting you for suspicious behavior. The only common sense thing to do for these caches are to filter them out and not bother looking for them.

Hardinfam, it sounds like you’re passionate about hiding caches, which is a good thing. Cache owners should be passionate about their hides. However, step back and try to understand where “the community” is coming from on this. The Fox Cities is a very cache friendly environment. City park, county park and state park managers, for the most part, welcome and encourage placing caches on their property. Same goes for most of the public land and cemetery’s around the valley. Take a look at the Zeroes to Heroes caches in the Bruce B. Purdy preserve to see a great example of how geocachers opened lines of dialogue and worked hand in hand with the landowners to introduce caches on their property.

This didn’t happen by accident. In the early days, many land managers assumed that “treasure hunting” meant that droves of geocachers were going be showing up with shovels and digging holes all over the property. They believed that caches were going to be buried. I’m sure some land managers still think that way. The cache hiders that have been in the sport for many years laid a lot of the groundwork that we’re all benefiting from today. That’s why all the parks and public spaces are available to have geocaches hidden in them. That doesn’t mean it can’t be taken away. If the police get enough calls about suspicious people poking around in front of someones house, that will get noticed by city officials and if they determine that the root cause is geocaching, they may just decide to drop the hammer and ban the activity altogether.

I know that sounds far fetched but there are places throughout the U.S. that has had this very thing happen. A few blackeyes and rather than deal with it, managers just banish the game. Hiding geocaches in National Parks was banned because of one buried geocache. It can happen and having a cache owner basically say “I don’t care, I’m still going to hide caches in front of peoples houses” is not good for the game.

[Hardinfam]

Well,for now, I got my wife to agree to no more terrace hides.

[Muggle B]

Hardinfam, I am sorry you have been singled out in this thread, that was NOT my original intent. Although I did use your caches as examples, it was the concept I was bringing up not you in particular.

I have a hard time “blending in” no family walk for me, no kids and a wife that is not interested in sticking her hand in dark holes. So being a 32 year old long haired guy, no matter where I go everybody is always looking at me weird, and some places I just shouldn’t be.

(besides residential caches, I also don’t like kids play ground hides, every time I swear somebody is watching me thinking “what is that pedophile putting in a camera on the playground equipment”)

[Hardinfam]

Muggle B, Well if there is a not muggy evening forcasted you can join me and my family on our nighty stroll.(ps we have dogs)

[Hardinfam]

I got to thinking. My hides would benfit people like me. I have a toddler and when the older ones are at school I can’t cache in the woods or do mystery or multicaches. I can only do residentail ones.

[gotta run]

What, there are no parks for you to take your toddler to? The youngun’ would prefer to play in the strip of grass by the road?

Only truly selfish people would continue to do something that they know damages this game, simply because they can.

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[CacheNoTrace]

I think we need a sandbox in here.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinons but the bashing is gtting old.

Happy caching everyone!

[Hardinfam]

Gotta run have you been to Derks park in Appleton? The cache is at least 500 ft from the play ground equipment. Not every park hide is in the play ground equipment.

Hey David I’ve only seen one near a sandbox. LOL

[BigJim]

@Hardinfam wrote:

Not every park hide is in the play ground equipment.

Thank God! Hides on playground equipment are my least favorite. I usually cache alone. What would you think if you saw a 350 lb man lying on the ground looking under the merry-go-round, or hanging around the swingsets? I’d think he was either a geocacher or a pedophile. Unfortunately most people go straight to the latter.

All opinions, comments, and useless drivel I post are mine alone and do not reflect the opinions of the WGA BOD.

[gotta run]

Sorry, hardinfam, but you cannot try to change the subject and ignore six pages of prior posts. For everyone’s reference, here is a summary in chronological order:

@Team Deejay wrote:

For those who don’t know what this is really all about, there have been quite a number of new hides in the Appleton area (mostly Appleton, Kimberly, and Combined Locks) which are placed in residential neighborhoods between the sidewalk and the street. These are not like the roadside hides you find in more rural parts of the state, but right by someone’s house.

@isjustus4 wrote:

I just got a notification log of archive on one of the hiders caches that was archived by a Groundspeak Lackey themselves.

The archive log states “The adjacent property owners are being disturbed by this cache and ask that it be removed. The local police are now involved. Sorry, but I have to archive this cache. Thank you for your understanding.”

@Hardinfam wrote:

I happen to place all of the caches on the terrace which is public land. I happen to have one on my front terrace so that we can socialise with other cachers. Most of them were placed with the neighbours knowledge of what it is. Some even know me personally and I acknowledge them in the description or name. Yes some people don’t undrstand the impact of having one near them…

If you don’t like my hides don’t look for them.

@gotta run wrote:

Go back and read the initial post. This refers to caches in people’s front yards.

There is a place for park and grabs in this game and we’ve placed some ourselves. But that place is not in the easement in front of someone’s house.

@Hardinfam wrote:

If the cache neighbor doesn’t like it on the public land called a terrace then I will remove them, but not if another cacher is upset with me.

@Hardinfam wrote:

I’ve seen enough and heard enough support for me to stick to my guns on this.

@Hardinfam wrote:

Well,for now, I got my wife to agree to no more terrace hides.

As you can clearly see, this thread, and my concern, was ALWAYS and ONLY with caches being placed in someone’s front yard–the “terrace,” which you have no right to use for this purpose. This thread and my responses have never had anything to do with caches being placed in parks.

Over the course of this thread, several posters made well-reasoned arguments explaining why these private property hides are a bad idea because of their potential to cause problems with the general public and the negative impact on the game.

Your response to this has been, essentially, “Ppppppptttttth to you!!! I’ll do what I want!”

However, I’m glad to see that you have now reconsidered your stance on terrace hides. I encourage you to consider the entire geo-community when you place all your future hides.

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