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Originally posted by wzbt03:
I also find it kind of funny that I leave one thread about how I feel about the election and three board member respond in a matter of hours but I leave one message asking that a accounting of WGA funds and expenditures to be posted and I get total silence…. hmmmmmmmmm.Jeff, if you want to see the financial report, email our treasurer and see if you can get a copy.
Our bylaws require that the treasurer make a yearly financial report to the members. He has done this twice in the last year, possibly 3 times (Board meeting, Membership meeting at Wisotta, and Membership meeting at Greenbush)
The next financial report will be presented to the board in the next month or two, then once accepted by the board, the membership shortly thereafter. The Treasurer isn’t required by the bylaws to create a new report and post it whenever the topic appears in the forums.
Our current treasurer has done an excellent job in his role. I’m sure he’d have some numbers for you if you asked by private email. Although not required by the bylaws, I’m sure you could get a copy of the report.
[This message has been edited by GrouseTales (edited 01-30-2006).]
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Originally posted by wzbt03:
I also find it kind of funny that I leave one thread about how I feel about the election and three board member respond in a matter of hours but I leave one message asking that a accounting of WGA funds and expenditures to be posted and I get total silence…. hmmmmmmmmm.
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Originally posted by wzbt03:
I also find it kind of funny that I leave one thread about how I feel about the election and three board member respond in a matter of hours but I leave one message asking that a accounting of WGA funds and expenditures to be posted and I get total silence…. hmmmmmmmmm.
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Originally posted by GrouseTales:
Jeff, if you want to see the financial report, email our treasurer and see if you can get a copy.Our bylaws require that the treasurer make a yearly financial report to the members. He has done this twice in the last year, possibly 3 times (Board meeting, Membership meeting at Wisotta, and Membership meeting at Greenbush)
The next financial report will be presented to the board in the next month or two, then once accepted by the board, the membership shortly thereafter. The Treasurer isn’t required by the bylaws to create a new report and post it whenever the topic appears in the forums.
Our current treasurer has done an excellent job in his role. I’m sure he’d have some numbers for you if you asked by private email. Although not required by the bylaws, I’m sure you could get a copy of the report.
[This message has been edited by GrouseTales (edited 01-30-2006).]
wzbt03 is taking a lot heat here so I will say he never did get a simple response back telling him to email the treasure or anyone from the board.
One of those wonderful duties of board members is to reply to post made by individuals. Even if your not the treasure one of the board members could told wzbt03 to contact treasure or that they would let the treasure know. That would been much better than letting it come to this.
wzbt03 stated that he is unhappy with some trend of the WGA board. If it has not been done it would be prudent of the board to talk to him directly to address his issues.
Zuma, I think I was looking at the wrong line in the data base. I see you’re current through 4/07.
Sorry for any confusion
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Originally posted by pcfrog:
One of those wonderful duties of board members is to reply to post made by individuals.Speaking as one of the founders of WGA, and one of the co-writers of the bylaws, and as a past board member, I must say I’m at a loss as to where it is stated that one of the responsibilities of a board member is to respond to posts made on these forums by individuals.
Sure, its nice to do, and we often see it happen, but a responsibility?
It IS clearly stated on this website under the bylaws that the treasurer will make an annual report to the membership. So maybe if those complaining took the responsibility to read what IS posted on this site, they would refrain from false accusations regarding our BOD hiding the financial reports.
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Originally posted by wzbt03:
…decided that to drop out of sight or keep quiet is not the proper option.I see nothing wrong with that option… Please, feel free to avail yourself of it.
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Sure, its nice to do, and we often see it happen, but a responsibility?Yes a responsibility….
as stated in the BYLAWs.
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Article IV: Board of Directors
The management and administration of the affairs of the WGA shall be governed by a Board of Directors consisting of nine (9) members: four (4) officers and five (5) Members-at-Large.Duties: The Board of Directors shall oversee the affairs and business of the WGA. The Board will make policies and set guidelines to govern the affairs of the WGA. Business may be conducted via meetings, telephone, or other electronic means
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The members of the WGA and this message board is the business of the board members.
Are the members of the WGA not part of the boards business?
I have read the bylaws and also know that many responsibilities are a given and should not have to be spelled out.
Trying to smooth things over a bit here….
Many times the Board members respond as individuals, and some times as Board members. Sometimes it’s a blurred line that seperates the roles.
The post that wzbt03, and PC Frog eluded to was originally posted by the Board, as “The Board” (see limited editin coin announcement). The responses have not gone unnoticed, but require a response from the “board”, not the individuals on the board. Clear as mud?
We’ve been working hard to address the concerns and come up with some options. Unfortunately, it takes a long time to accomplish some things when it’s all done via email.
The board will have a response to the “coin issue”, but it’s not a knee-jerk response. We are working on solutions.
Thanks for your patience
Thanks Brian for giving an update on some of the issues that you are working on. I think some people really like to know what is going on behind the scenes of the board member only forums. Yes we get updates at the two main WGA events and occassionaly on the public boards, but for some, they like to see more.
Having to even discuss voter fraud is really sad if you think about it. Unfortunately, some members have had a problem with being honest in the past when it came to cache of the month. To gain what, I am not sure?? But anyways, really sad!
Whether or not voter fraud needed to be thrown out in a forum post I am not sure, but I would think the board discussed it and decided what to. It does have a negative air about it and maybe voter fraud needs to just be monitored behind the scenes and handled with that individual in a private manner. In my opinion, if you vote in a fraudulant manner, then you need not be a member of the WGA.
And by the way, Jeff, please don’t go. Nice to have you active again.
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Hmmm not sure which end is up here. Alot said while gone for a day of caching. Yes it is true that topics posted in a forum don’t always get noticed and responded to by a Board Member then some get a lot of attention. It is a difficult task to go through them when life is as busy as it is.
I am lucky enough to be able to read through and respond to Topics almost everyday and at all times of the day (though not a board member). Most people are not that available. I am sure Board members get to the Topics with greatest imporance first, due to busy lives.
It is nice to find a Topics asking opinions on things, like the availability of a report, but we all need to remember to toss things in the “Suggestion Box” too. Does it really MATTER where we post Topics??? Probabley not, but if I have a suggestion I surely would use the area which makes the most sense.
Not that I am speaking for ANY Board member… and I’ll toss this in the suggestion box too, but why not have the catagory moderators speak for theirs as individuals and for the board as necessary. Divi up the catagories and have each person over see one!!
It’s HARD work I know!!!! And not everyone WANTS to do it, but maybe it would help and reduce future issues.
I applaude all the Board members for the job they have chosen to take on.
{firm handshake} Anne
[This message has been edited by Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu (edited 01-30-2006).]
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Originally posted by GrouseTales:
rd will have a response to the “coin issue”, but it’s not a knee-jerk response. We are working on solutions.
I did notice a lot of activity in those leadership forums!
Bec
PLEASE, PLEASE! Don’t let this organization go the route of the MnGCA!
I play my own game but look to OUR leaders when it comes to others interests. I don’t know of anyone (and I know of a few) from across the river that can make that same statement.
We all, at one point and time disagree with leadership and that’s okay! That’s what makes us US! We can not, however, undermine the foundation that the WGA was built on. The “house” needs to stand regardless of who resides in it!
I consider many of you friends, if only Geo-friends and don’t feel comfortable with this. I am not taking sides but I am asking that the real objective be brought back to the forefront. That objective being bringing and sharing Geocaching to all of Wisconsin!!
Let’s keep Wisconsin ‘Caching!
Bobcat
P.S. Send all email to my profile and I WILL answer it asap.
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Originally posted by GrouseTales:
The board will have a response to the “coin issue”, but it’s not a knee-jerk response. We are working on solutions.Thanks for your patience
If there are any thoughts on selling some of the coins, I would like to suggest that part of them be sold to WGA members at the campout in a silent auction format. It would be a fun way to ensure members could bid on them without fighting the rest of world on E-Bay.
Not that I don’t love E-Bay.
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Originally posted by Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu:
…topics posted in a forum don’t always get noticed and responded to by a Board Member then some get a lot of attention. It is a difficult task to go through them when life is as busy as it is.
Life is busy, yes; but the board is regularly watching these forums. I myself check here quite often. Do we always respond immediately? Depends on the question at hand. If there’s some individual overseas trying to sell our members questionable merchandise, then yes; the response is rather swift. However, in the past the board has been flogged for “censoring” the boards. Kind of a “lose/lose” situation for the board.
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I am sure Board members get to the Topics with greatest importance first, due to busy lives.Quite often we’d like to get to the topics with “greater” importance, but instead we seem to be spending our time pissing out these stupid fires.
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…why not have the catagory moderators speak for theirs as individuals and for the board as necessary. Divi up the catagories and have each person over see one!!It’s HARD work I know!!!! And not everyone WANTS to do it, but maybe it would help and reduce future issues.
Moderating these forums fall under the responsibility of the entire board. Dividing them up would only reduce the number of folks “moderating” each forum. And I’d be interested to know how additional moderation would “help reduce future issues”?
and now folks, here’s another reason that some board members fail to jump in on issues… our comments are somehow taken as being not from the member, but from the board. So I give you…
The comments and opinions above are those solely of Team GeoPink (arcangl7) and are not those of the WGA, the WGA board, or its other fine members.
Team GeoPink
– Jeff
Co-conspirator to make the world a better place…Yes I agree it is the responsibility of the entire Board to moderate the entire site, but why not trying specific people watching a specific area?
Then to answer the question of “preventing future issues”….It is ONLY a possibility and an HUGE maybe, that issues can be resolved quickly or prevented.
I can only imagine that it must be a HUGE job for each and everyone on the Board to moderate the WHOLE site. But an individual having a catagory “MIGHT” be able to acknowledge issue right away, then bring it to the attention of the rest of the Board, then POSSIBLEY avoiding problems. These are all ONLY ideas. Who’s to say what will or wo’t work.
It’s like kinda 9 Hurders watching 1000 sheep. Do they all stand around watching ALL the sheep at one time?? In a sense, but they have a grouping and when a few stray…do the Hurders then chase all the sheep towards the strays??? (i.e. would all the Board members have to watch all the catagories all the time) No…they watch the entire group as a whole, but split up the group to pull in the strays individaully or with another person (or dog) or two. Once done…they discuss the issue and get back to the group watch. HEY.. I lived in Wyoming too long!! What can I say. I am by NO means stating we are a bunch of sheep that all need tending to… but in a sense…. we are. AND……Gotta think out of the box once in a while and try different stuff!
In the case of the Board.. YES, everyone watches all the “sheep” all the time, yet if they were to POSSIBLY work on a catagory individually they can call in the rest when the issue gets out of hand.
I repeat… these are ONLY IDEAS.
Thanks for asking me the questions Jeff and thanks for your feedback!! Muchly appreciated. Hope this makes sense.
PS I agree.. too much time wasted “pissing” out the fires!!
[This message has been edited by Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu (edited 01-31-2006).]
Bing – Bing – Bing…. Richochet topic!
Boy this topic is all over the place . Couple of my personal comments.
There are a few names on the boards as “moderators”. When we created the website, some of the founders volunteered to moderate different sections.
I think that all the BOD’s end up moderating the topics. In fact I’m going to take my name off as moderator. Why? Because for the most part they don’t need to be moderated. I’ve tried to smooth over discussions when they’ve turned sour. When I dared to lock a topic or delete anything, people cry foul. It seems to be a “lose/lose” situation like arcangl7 said.
I firmly believe that the majority of our members want friendly and positive discussions here. But we also have the “Jerry Springer” type crowd who enjoy the excitment of a so called heated “healthy” discussion. I don’t watch Jerry Springer, and usually turn the channel when the show appears in a forum.
I personally believe the boards need moderation from time to time, but members need to know what the rules of conduct are. We have none other then common sense. Many forums have clear cut rules for posting in their forums. If we are going to moderate boards, we need written guidelines and everyone needs to know what they are.
Addressing PC Frog’s concerns. Many people have learned not to immediately grab the bait. Sometimes it appears like someone is just looking to start an arguement. Wording is everything, since we conduct or conversations via the Internet. I like to keep thing positive and prefer to only respond to positive comments. My preference for bait is honey, not vinegar
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