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08/25/2011 at 5:43 pm #1952177
@Team Honeybunnies wrote:
@Team Black-Cat wrote:
@Team Honeybunnies wrote:
They will only be as good as the imaginations of the placers and finders.
Unfortunatly, the Principle of Least Effort will be in full force since that seems to be the path that Groundspeak paved for challenges.
“You may say that I’m a dreamer, well I’m not the only one…”
It was crazy ideas like that that got Lennon shot.
(otherwise great post on the issue.)
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08/25/2011 at 9:26 pm #1952178you just have to think of these as…
trackables
benchmarks
mystery caches
multi’sthey are all not caches but if you like them…do them…
if you dont.. dont.
it is a good change up. I have done a couple and that will probably be it.
its a different game and some will really like them. some wont.
as far as counting? who cares? my count is what I have done and choose not to do. It is my journey and I pick my path.
they should only count regular caches in peoples totals. all else is just fun side notes to actual goecaching.
glad challanges got their own special counter.
StarWarsGuy
08/26/2011 at 12:06 am #1952179I like the challenges, but I’ve just discovered an annoying thing about them. 😐 So far I’ve done 13 of them (I got off to a good start because I was at the Groundspeak block party when they unveiled them, and if you completed the first 5 challenges you received a free trackable). The annoying thing is that you can’t go back and see your posts, at least not easily. The challenges I’ve done in Wisconsin have only been completed by 1 to 10 people so far, so it’s easy to look back, scroll through the entries, and see your log and picture (if applicable). The logs are not dated. However, some of the challenges I’ve done are “worldwide” challenges started by Groundspeak, completed by hundreds of people. You can’t see your log unless you scroll through all of the logs, and they only show you 10 at a time per page. So let’s say some day you’ve completed a worldwide challenge six months ago, and you wanted to read your log or see the related picture. You potentially may have to scroll through 75 web pages (no skipping ahead) to find your entry. It would be nice if you could go directly to your previous posts like you can with geocaching (which is, of course, an entirely different game).
08/26/2011 at 3:33 am #1952180@StarWarsGuy wrote:
they should only count regular caches in peoples totals. all else is just fun side notes to actual goecaching.
So what you’re saying is that when I hunt a 12 stage multi over a 4.5 mile course that could have been 12 individual caches it shouldn’t count towards my smiley? I totally disagree.
So what you’re saying is that if I spend 20+ hours solving a very interesting and challenging puzzle that teaches me lots of cool things and I get a set of actual coordinates at the end and go find the cache that just happens to be in the middle of a swamp that it shouldn’t count towards my smiley? I totally disagree.
If there’s a container and you find it and sign the log it should count.
You might be able to persuade me with events, virtuals, earthcaches, challenges, etc. but if I find a container and sign the log I don’t really see what the difference is compared to just a plain traditional.
08/26/2011 at 3:40 am #1952181@CodeJunkie wrote:
@StarWarsGuy wrote:
they should only count regular caches in peoples totals. all else is just fun side notes to actual goecaching.
So what you’re saying is that when I hunt a 12 stage multi over a 4.5 mile course that could have been 12 individual caches it shouldn’t count towards my smiley? I totally disagree.
So what you’re saying is that if I spend 20+ hours solving a very interesting and challenging puzzle that teaches me lots of cool things and I get a set of actual coordinates at the end and go find the cache that just happens to be in the middle of a swamp that it shouldn’t count towards my smiley? I totally disagree.
If there’s a container and you find it and sign the log it should count.
You might be able to persuade me with events, virtuals, earthcaches, challenges, etc. but if I find a container and sign the log I don’t really see what the difference is compared to just a plain traditional.
DITTO to what CJ said! A CACHE is a container WITH a LOG.
08/26/2011 at 3:41 am #1952182@CodeJunkie wrote:
So what you’re saying is…
CJ you’re right (although I do like earthcaches even though there’s no log to sign).
08/26/2011 at 3:53 am #1952183@hack1of2 wrote:
@CodeJunkie wrote:
So what you’re saying is…
CJ you’re right (although I do like earthcaches even though there’s no log to sign).
I agree also, which is why I said “You might be able to persuade me …” I also like earthcaches and many of the old virtuals, but when I find something and sign the log it’s definately a cache and worthy of a smiley (even if it is just another plain old signpost)
08/26/2011 at 11:46 am #1952184@CodeJunkie wrote:
@StarWarsGuy wrote:
they should only count regular caches in peoples totals. all else is just fun side notes to actual goecaching.
So what you’re saying is that when I hunt a 12 stage multi over a 4.5 mile course that could have been 12 individual caches it shouldn’t count towards my smiley? I totally disagree.
So what you’re saying is that if I spend 20+ hours solving a very interesting and challenging puzzle that teaches me lots of cool things and I get a set of actual coordinates at the end and go find the cache that just happens to be in the middle of a swamp that it shouldn’t count towards my smiley? I totally disagree.
If there’s a container and you find it and sign the log it should count.
You might be able to persuade me with events, virtuals, earthcaches, challenges, etc. but if I find a container and sign the log I don’t really see what the difference is compared to just a plain traditional.
I was just throwing out another viewpoint.
people say these things are no good and they will not do them so they should not count.
some people really like them
I dont do mysterys or multi’s.. Not my cup of tea, but I was trying to show the silliiness of the statement.
“I dont like them.. I wont do them. They shouldnt count for anybody”
If I drove to Oregon to snap a picture of me canoing and drove home to log it. that is also a lot of effort. more than figuring out a math problem.
this is a great challange to plan to do.
(I think the quality of the challanges have to improve. they will get tweeked in time and get on to what they were intended to be)
anything that requires you to do somthing else other than plug in coors and find a container is just an attempt to enhance the geocaching experience.
challanges are new and they are working out the bugs. give it time and maybe it will replace virtuals that some people really enjoyed.
I also like when I stumble on a bechmark, but I dont actively hunt them. some people wont hunt them becaues they dont count. the feeling is.. if they dont count then what the point?
what ever gets you out there.
08/26/2011 at 12:06 pm #1952185So what you’re saying is that if I spend 20+ hours solving a very interesting and challenging puzzle that teaches me lots of cool things and I get a set of actual coordinates at the end and go find the cache that just happens to be in the middle of a swamp that it shouldn’t count towards my smiley? I totally disagree
why would you spend all the time when there are guard rail and lamp post hides for the same little smiley?
mysterys and mulit’s are just a different way to play it you want to.
challanges are a different way to play if you want to.
heck.. Trackables should count as a “bouns find” but only if you do them as intended. If you find a trackable in a cache and move it to a cache you should get a bounus smile. That would get people to move them rather that find them and keep them. People love their smiles.
08/26/2011 at 12:09 pm #1952186Here are some scenarios for challenges that don’t appear to be prohibited by the rules:
Go to these coordinates and look in this particular spot. The spot happens to be the final location of a puzzle cache.
Go to these coordinates and take a picture. The location is the final location of a mega-stage multicache.
Go to these coordinates and do a particular action. The action has the effect of revealing a particularly challenging hide.As far as I can tell none of those meet the reasons a cache could be flagged, yet I could see they would all be possible based on past behaviors and actions by cache vandals.
On the Left Side of the Road...08/26/2011 at 12:13 pm #1952187@gotta run wrote:
Here are some scenarios for challenges that don’t appear to be prohibited by the rules:
Go to these coordinates and look in this particular spot. The spot happens to be the final location of a puzzle cache.
Go to these coordinates and take a picture. The location is the final location of a mega-stage multicache.
Go to these coordinates and do a particular action. The action has the effect of revealing a particularly challenging hide.As far as I can tell none of those meet the reasons a cache could be flagged, yet I could see they would all be possible based on past behaviors and actions by cache vandals.
this is what has to be tweeked. how do people cache in washington dc? I cant see being allowed to hide an ammo can. Challanges would be great for that area.
08/26/2011 at 12:16 pm #1952188@gotta run wrote:
Here are some scenarios for challenges that don’t appear to be prohibited by the rules:
Go to these coordinates and look in this particular spot. The spot happens to be the final location of a puzzle cache.
Go to these coordinates and take a picture. The location is the final location of a mega-stage multicache.
Go to these coordinates and do a particular action. The action has the effect of revealing a particularly challenging hide.As far as I can tell none of those meet the reasons a cache could be flagged, yet I could see they would all be possible based on past behaviors and actions by cache vandals.
There might not be a valid reason to flag them, but you can still give them a thumbs-down, and enough of those can trigger a review/archive.
08/26/2011 at 12:20 pm #1952189@gotta run wrote:
Here are some scenarios for challenges that don’t appear to be prohibited by the rules:
Go to these coordinates and look in this particular spot. The spot happens to be the final location of a puzzle cache.
Go to these coordinates and take a picture. The location is the final location of a mega-stage multicache.
Go to these coordinates and do a particular action. The action has the effect of revealing a particularly challenging hide.As far as I can tell none of those meet the reasons a cache could be flagged, yet I could see they would all be possible based on past behaviors and actions by cache vandals.
I’ve thought of these exact scenarios also and they scare me.
Title: It’s “Sloppy” out here.
Photo: Go to these coords and you’ll find a steel post in the marsh. Take a picture next to the post to verify you were at the right spot.08/26/2011 at 1:20 pm #1952190How many flags does a challenge have to have to be deleted?
08/26/2011 at 1:21 pm #1952191Challenges are published anonymously as far as I can tell, and we’ve already seen the willingness of people to spoil difficult caches just to get a smilely for members of their cabal or because they do not like a particular CO. Doing this with challenges is not a stretch by any means.
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