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It started on another thread about one of CB&MB’s cache logs, and got off into complaints about logging event caches.
Just thought I would bring it to everyone’s attention.
This topic seems to come up over in those forums after every WGA event. I guess when a single event listing gets over 1000 logs it gets noticed.
I just noticed it is now being discussed in three different threads, and someone has posted a archive note on the event page. It just reminds me why I don’t read those participate in those forums much anymore.
As posted on GC.COM
You folks don’t see me here much any more. These forums are taken OT way too quickly without resolving any issues presented.
Getting back to the issues at hand ~
100 or more cache logs at one event? – show me
The cachers pointed out have 100 event logs, but this is for a total of five events, take another look at their profile, page one lists only one of those events.Logging temporary caches? This is an issue that has no resolution.
One of the cachers at the WGA event in question logged 65 caches for 20+ hours of caching at the event; cachers were on the trails Friday evening, all day Saturday, Saturday night and early Sunday morning. The park is over 1000 acres in size and boasts over 17 miles of hiking trails. There were about a half dozen caches available Friday, about fifty temporary caches available Saturday and about a dozen more available Saturday night. We used the entire park for the event, which was open to all comers. We frequently see cachers from Illinois, Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri and occasionally Texas at our Wisconsin events. The quality of the caches at these events rivals the permanent caches we have seen in the 14 states we have cached in.Some cachers logged every temp they found, some went home with only a count of one event attended. It was their choice. I would prefer to see only permanent caches in our game; I would prefer to see only ammo boxes, only unique locations, and only short walks on level terrain. These are my preferences. But, not all caches fit my preferences. I play the game as it is laid before me and create caches as I like to see them. Please correct me if I am critical of how others play this game, I would do nothing to take their fun from them.
I almost posted on geocaching.com (what was I thinking?) I’ll post it here instead: If this kind of thing really upsets you, it’s time for you to get a real life.
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Originally posted by kbraband:
I almost posted on geocaching.com (what was I thinking?) I’ll post it here instead: If this kind of thing really upsets you, it’s time for you to get a real life.I completely agree. I almost posted there too, and decided I didn’t need the headache of getting into an argument with anyone I don’t know for a reason that isn’t worth arguing over.
~MF
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Originally posted by fishcachers:
I completely agree. I almost posted there too, and decided I didn’t need the headache of getting into an argument with anyone I don’t know for a reason that isn’t worth arguing over.~MF
Oh crap. Something came over me and I posted. I hope I don’t regret it.
~MF
After having read the pages on gc.com forums. I have come up with an idea, maybe good, maybe bad. I hope someone else will chime in here.
Now that the event is over, should we put the names of the caches, co-ordinates to the caches, diff. terr. etc. etc. to help explain what we are logging as finds? While I don’t think this will sway any of the firm log only once campers, but it may help them understand that we are not logging the cache out of thin air.
IMHO it is OK for us to log the page as we see fit. I also think there is an incredible difference of effort put out to find caches by various attendees of our event. Somehow it doesn’t seem fair for a person to show up for 10 minutes and say Hi to a few people and then go back home, getting their one attended log, while others bust their bottoms to find all of the caches that we have put out there. They should have a way for their numbers to reflect the amount of effort put forth to find as many as they have found.
Flame ON
I agree fully with Mr. Anderson, but don’t think it’s something that needs to be bothered with now that the event is long gone. It would be a cool thing to do as an edit to a cache page once the event is underway.
Then again, much of the arguement would have been mute had we set up a cache page for temp caches. I believe in flexing “rules” for the sake of the masses. With all the wireless technology expansion, logging on the fly will become a normal practice for many in the not-so-distant future.
Hello kids…since the 3 mentioned threads were about us, Bob and I have done a few postings on them…actually, we only posted on 2. They are petty little things that we wasted too much time on. As of now we have decided that we are done there. Had a friend from CT not sent us an e-mail drawing our attention to one of the threads, we may not have seen any of them. Got lots of laughs and worked out the phonetics on some of our favorite four letter words (in the privacy of home…though we were quite tempted to do otherwise!). Anyhow, it’s the same old, same old! Thanks to Doc_api for spending so much of your weekend trying to defend our honor (yes, believe it or not, we did deserve it.). The people on those forums are none like any here! Let’s keep doing what we’re doing and let them worry about each other. The good news is that we’re getting noticed…again! LOL!
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Originally posted by Trudy & the beast:
The cachers pointed out have 100 event logs, but this is for a total of five events, take another look at their profile, page one lists only one of those events.Gee…that would be us…too bad we didn’t see the thread until TPTB made the initiator remove our name from it. We’ve since exchanged e-mail with him and accept that he truly is sorry for what he started but it was too late…FIRE ON!
If anyone wants to know what the thread is e-mail me and I’ll send you the link.
Thanks Beast for trying to set these people straight. Unfortunately I don’t think any of us will ever be able to do that. The just want to whine and have chosen us, and then our event style and now the WGA as targets. BLAH!
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Originally posted by CB&MB:
Thanks to Doc_api for spending so much of your weekend trying to defend our honor!
Hear hear!!
Thanks for the support, but I seem to be fighting a losing battle.
Jeremy has gone from his earlier posts where he said it was approriate to log the caches on the event page, to saying it is “stupid” and Selfish”.
The thread started out complaining about “fake” logs, then when it was explained that they were not fake to “too many logs”, then to no logs at all.
Now thay are trying to say we shouldn’t have temp caches at all, because “somebody else might do it without permission”.
At the rate they are going, they will be banning Geocaching as a whole by the end of the weekend because “somebody might do something wrong”
Docapi, I admire you for carrying on a well-fought but hopeless battle. We’ll do things the way our members (through their elected board members) choose to do them, or until Jeremy expressly bans us from doing so.
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Originally posted by kbraband:
Docapi, I admire you for carrying on a well-fought but hopeless battle. We’ll do things the way our members (through their elected board members) choose to do them, or until Jeremy expressly bans us from doing so.While I do appreciate the fact that our board sees fit to allow temps to be at WGA gatherings, it’s not really their call on the rest of the events, is it? If the cache owner hides temps and allows multiple logs then that’s what matters. So we’ll also keep doing it this way until Jeremy gives the “cut it out!”
MB
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