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@gotta run wrote:
I don’t think it’s a dumb reason for archiving at all. We pulled a ton of puzzle caches a while back for a similar reason, because certain people were set out to basically spoil puzzles and couldn’t understand how someone could possibly feel that actually solving puzzles, rather than just handing out final coordinates, was important. We lost that argument so, rather than sit and stew, we went out and pulled. Now I try to take a different view on the actions of others, as I’ve outlined here.
And that is also a value to this forum and why this discussion should continue even though some might not wish it to. I think it is very helpful for the caching community to know that this issue is important to some owners and that some owners will choose to say forget it and pull caches.
I’ve been there too, a few times. At one point I was on the edge… no, I went over the edge, and was hanging on the face of the cliff to the point of archiving many puzzles in response to the similar reason GR mentions. But, don’t you know, it was the same people posting here with long analogies and passionate arguments for civility; words of reason, tolerance and a sense of proportion, who reached down to grab my hand to pull me back up from the edge – GR being one of the strongest pullers.
There are aspects of how some players choose to play this sport that will ultimately get under your skin, no matter how many times you get infected and you wash, rinse and repeat. Eventually you come to understand that some dirt is good for you and builds immunity to the nasty stuff that can really do you mental harm.
I know my immunity to cut-and-paste logs, unnecessary NM or NA flags, poorly re-hidden caches, harsh words about my personality and the like have built my tolerance to the very infections that used to bring me down. These days I just take another swig of HuffinPuffin, Muggle B or CodeJunkie log juice and I feel all better.
At the same time, I see these arguments or wright and wrong reaching beyond the realm of geocaching into a larger dialogue of tolerance, respect for others and cooperation. Gotta Run and I could not be further apart from each other from a political standpoint; I arguing for aspects of a socialist and welfare state and he arguing for minimal government intrusion, privatization and deregulation. And yet, here we are, on common ground in a very public place, bolstering and standing up for each other when those who have no respect for cache ownership or ethics, cast aspersions or treat these topics with little import. It says something about the value of those who post here with passion and those who step in to come to their comrades aide.
@seldom|seen wrote:
I’ve been there too, a few times. At one point I was on the edge… no, I went over the edge, and was hanging on the face of the cliff to the point of archiving…
I relate. I’ve had one foot off the ledge for a long time. Barely hanging on.
As a new cacher, I never knew the importance of the logs. I understood TFTC was sufficient. Being an avid golfer, I understand etiquette and its importance. I went to GC.com and don’t remember any mention of etiquette. Funny how my buddy that introduced me to cashing never said anything. Come to mention it, he always posted more than a few lines logging cashes. I never understood, never asked and now informed. I’ll keep this in mind in my future endeavors as well as introducing new friends.
For me the online log is the most important part of this sport. If I couldn’t cronicle my experiences I wouldn’t even participate. I enjoy going back and reading what I was doing 1 year, 2 years….5 years ago on a particular day. What was the weather, how many times did I fall down, how cool was the cache…ect. As a hider of over 160 caches in the past 5 years I can say that I know who is going to log a nice log and who will cut and paste. To be honest when I get the found emails I can go do down the list and delete the ones that are cut and paste. I wish there was a setting that would delete those before they got to my email. I take great pleasure in the “real” logs and those are the people I continue to place hides for. …..the others….to be honest I don’t care if they find my hides or not, because I have no clue if they enjoyed them or not.Thankfully there are enough people who take the time to say something, to keep me hiding caches!
At least some do say something. The less said is sometimes best it offends no one. be happy with yo me find your Cache. No wait it does. me thinks with logs . Perhaps the finder do not know how to express does not wish to . Is not related to hemming way.Does not wish to write a book. Or has no sense of style. Or better still does wish to keep secret what was found so as not to give away any of the 4W of who what when where . But knows how to say thank you in some way. so others may in joy. Please be happy the finder at least dots the i crosses the T and makes no miskeaks in the letters that were wroted the numbers that were not trans posed . But thanks to your efforts some one did get a smilely face.
Even if is thanks for the find. Lets move on.Yeah, I see your point. I guess I’d rather get “TFTC” than that kind of garble. The ones that get me are the “:)” and “.” logs.
All opinions, comments, and useless drivel I post are mine alone and do not reflect the opinions of the WGA BOD.
This is for sure the “crappiest” log that I have ever got.
Location: Wisconsin, United States
Braid Beard’s gang found Old Silo #53 (Traditional Cache) at 11/25/2011Log Date: 11/25/2011
I need to give you a little crap about this cache. I wouldn’t normally use that
word in a log, but the field near here was recently turned over with some
natural fertilizer. The smell was at the best barely tolerable. I sent Hannah
to the obvious beacon as I took a few photographs. She came back to the car and
said that she could not find it. I was puzzled, so we both went to the obvious
beacon. After I surveyed ground zero, it was blatantly obvious that the cache
was also turned over in the soil and manure. I dug about eight inches deep in
the earth for a few feet until I found the cache buried. I moved it to the
other side of the beacon. I just wanted to remind you that Groundspeak does not
let you bury caches in %^&% or any other soil (I hope you know I am just
kidding. We both got a laugh out of this one.) You are just lucky we are
pirates and we are used to buried treasure. Thanks for another fun Silo Cache.
Oh yea, the silos were neat too.I discovered some “crap” logs tonight. I archived a cache and found a number of “finders” that never signed the log. A 1 / 1.5 P&G less than 10′ from the roadway.
Very interesting on how these logs read online and I can only assume they either never visited, fudged some dates, or who knows what. A couple purveyors of latin, one who cached with his wife one day and then his mother cached with the same person the very next day at the same cache which seemed odd.
I guess the bigger question is what to do? Originally I was going to post a copy of the physical log and delete the logs of those that don’t match. Then I thought about it and started to wonder if that puts me in the same low class as these other folks? Seriously does it really matter? They’re all cut/paste logs anyway, so do I really care if they visited or not? I’m sure they drove down the highway past it at some point and stopping would have caused more greenhouse gas emissions, so maybe it’s better they didn’t stop?
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