Logo varients

[cheezehead]

But why Ralph? Just because you say so? Maybe it should be revisited.
Changes are being made to the site everyday. Has the BOD APPROVED these changes of color and layout before they happen?How are these decisions not the same? Don’t get me wrong. Brain had done a bang up job with the changes. Opinions, everyone has one.

Example- The GAP. Changed it logo, less the a month later, it was changed back. How many millions of dollars did they spend on it.

Please explain to me and to the rest of the members how the current logo says geocaching in Wisconsin. This may be a dead horse, and maybe with the new BOD election coming up it should be an issue. In my opinion, it should not be.

Shirts and coins have been using the “improved” logo. People saw tie “improved logo on the site and liked it.

Does it boil down to that maybe, just maybe, that the BOD made a mistake at the time and does not want to admit that it was wrong?
These are my thought, If I get flammed over them so be it.

And please do not come back with ” You can run for BOD in the next election and then try to make changes.” Cuz I won’t/can’t run cuz I am not willing to travel 4-6 hours to a meeting or 4-6 hours for campout or picnic but that’s a whole different dead horse of another color.

[zuma]

@cheezehead wrote:

But why Ralph? Just because you say so? Maybe it should be revisited.
Changes are being made to the site everyday. Has the BOD APPROVED these changes of color and layout before they happen?How are these decisions not the same? Don’t get me wrong. Brain had done a bang up job with the changes. Opinions, everyone has one.

Example- The GAP. Changed it logo, less the a month later, it was changed back. How many millions of dollars did they spend on it.

Please explain to me and to the rest of the members how the current logo says geocaching in Wisconsin. This may be a dead horse, and maybe with the new BOD election coming up it should be an issue. In my opinion, it should not be.

Shirts and coins have been using the “improved” logo. People saw tie “improved logo on the site and liked it.

Does it boil down to that maybe, just maybe, that the BOD made a mistake at the time and does not want to admit that it was wrong?
These are my thought, If I get flammed over them so be it.

And please do not come back with ” You can run for BOD in the next election and then try to make changes.” Cuz I won’t/can’t run cuz I am not willing to travel 4-6 hours to a meeting or 4-6 hours for campout or picnic but that’s a whole different dead horse of another color.

“Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is a noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of the nonessentials.”

–Lin Yutang

[gotta run]

First, in the interest of full disclosure, I was one of the people who made a big deal about the logo change. I could go back and review what I all had said, because I don’t remember…and that’s the point. I was wrong back then to get impassioned about it.

Truth be told I don’t really care a whit about the logo. I don’t care if it’s color or black and white. I don’t care if we fill in the state with a solid color or do the fancy picture thing. We’re not a multi billion dollar business where we’re trying to get people to pick our product off the shelf based on a split second decision formed over countless hours of exposure to our advertising.

We’re a small, nonprofit association and it doesn’t make a difference how our logo looks because we’re not going to attract one person to our association based on it. People come here because they first know about geocaching, then decide to associate with a bunch of people who feel similarly.

So, my vote is to do whatever looks cool and fits best with a particular point-in-time usage. Not only do I see little risk of any brand confusion, but even if people are completely confused about our brand, what possible difference does it make to our membership, existence, and purpose?

On the Left Side of the Road...

[cheezehead]

@zuma wrote:

@cheezehead wrote:

But why Ralph? Just because you say so? Maybe it should be revisited.
Changes are being made to the site everyday. Has the BOD APPROVED these changes of color and layout before they happen?How are these decisions not the same? Don’t get me wrong. Brain had done a bang up job with the changes. Opinions, everyone has one.

Example- The GAP. Changed it logo, less the a month later, it was changed back. How many millions of dollars did they spend on it.

Please explain to me and to the rest of the members how the current logo says geocaching in Wisconsin. This may be a dead horse, and maybe with the new BOD election coming up it should be an issue. In my opinion, it should not be.

Shirts and coins have been using the “improved” logo. People saw tie “improved logo on the site and liked it.

Does it boil down to that maybe, just maybe, that the BOD made a mistake at the time and does not want to admit that it was wrong?
These are my thought, If I get flammed over them so be it.

And please do not come back with ” You can run for BOD in the next election and then try to make changes.” Cuz I won’t/can’t run cuz I am not willing to travel 4-6 hours to a meeting or 4-6 hours for campout or picnic but that’s a whole different dead horse of another color.

“Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is a noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of the nonessentials.”

–Lin Yutang

Who the heck is Lin Yutang? It doesn’t answer my questions. Just ignore it till it come back again??

[cheezehead]

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Again I ask, some one please explain how the current logo makes any cooralation the Geocaching in Wisconsin. And as an orginization we are trying to get new people. I’d have to say that our advertising STINKS!

[Mister Greenthumb]

I just wrote a 500 word response to this subject and then deleted it. I realized it would only antagonize and keep this going forever. I won’t elaborate on my ideas, but maybe it’s time to lock this forum topic.

[cheezehead]

And just maybe it need to keep going.

WGA= Who Gives A ( Insert what you want here). Cuz locking it and ignoring it will make it all better and it will go away.

[CodeJunkie]

@BakRdz wrote:

Exactly. BakRdz you did an excellent job with this and it’s exactly what I’ve seen from other Fortune 100 companies when I’ve worked with their “standard” supplied artwork.

[CodeJunkie]

@-cheeto- wrote:

Not sure what’s so “perplexing” about it.

Maybe “perplexing” wasn’t the proper word, but I was confused. I thought the full color “picture” was an official WGA logo. I love the “picture” with the added features to our state (i.e. the coin design thingy). Maybe I’m just adding confusion on top of confusion.

I didn’t realize we only had 1 “official” logo and just assumed (I know I know don’t even go there) that the full color graphic being used as the page backdrop was the logo.

[seldom|seen]

Certainly should have seen all of this coming…

First; @-cheeto- wrote:

I believe that is what s|s is referring to. A single color variant (well single color printed, 2nd color being the shirt color) was produced for the back of the t-shirts that were for sale at the cache ba$h and at the picnic. The background is a full color variant that (to my knowledge) had not been published publicly before.

Thank you for the clarification from the WGA standpoint. I didn’t follow the coin and t-shirt developments but now understand how these variants were framed in context to events and coinage.

Second; @-cheeto- wrote:

Google presents a special edition Google logo on their main page for special events. We presented a Geocoin themed logo on our 2010 t-shirt back. (typically we don’t print a front and back) Yes, folks who are wearing those t-shirts are “representing” the WGA but there are also WGA shirts out there with all sorts of other things like “proposed logo designs that never won the vote”, design contest winners for events, etc.

Comparing the Google variants to the WGA is suggesting that the WGA is avaunt guard, trend-setting and breaking with status quo? Really? To my knowledge, no other fortune 500 company is in the habit of creating “special” logos for special events or days. Times change and with Google breaking down the conventions of keeping “sacred” logo space intact, rules are melting, but I find it an odd comparison since we are just a small non-profit with no issues representing ourselves with multiple logos.

Third; @zuma wrote:

If you want to change the logo, you will need to ask that question of those candidates up for election in January, and vote just for people who wish to change the logo.

Agreed. This is a Poll to get a sense of the WGA body’s feelings on the chosen and approved logo. I was looking for numbers of those satisfied and those not. The WGA is elected by the body, just as our politicians are, expected to represent us and majority opinion. Just as you shouldn’t vote to extend Bush tax cuts for the top 2% when 70+ percent of the populous is against it, perhaps we should consider a logo change if 70% of the WGA body is all for it?

Lastly; @gotta run wrote:

We’re a small, nonprofit association and it doesn’t make a difference how our logo looks because we’re not going to attract one person to our association based on it. People come here because they first know about geocaching, then decide to associate with a bunch of people who feel similarly.

So, my vote is to do whatever looks cool and fits best with a particular point-in-time usage. Not only do I see little risk of any brand confusion, but even if people are completely confused about our brand, what possible difference does it make to our membership, existence, and purpose?

Here’s my primary question as a list of questions. Why did we chose a state coin with a special revised design over the approved logo? Why did we all choose a cool looking T-shirt design (not the same as the coin, BTW) to go with the coin sale? Why are changes being made to the website? If we are just a small non-profit then why put any effort into any of this?

The answer is simple. We want OUR site and OUR merchandise to look the best, not because we are, as a whole, concerned with attracting new members with a cool logo, but because it is OUR site and OUR merchandise and we simply want it to look as good as we can make it (and we can make it look better) with the talent we have at our disposal (and we have talent). [/b]

[gotta run]

@cheezehead wrote:

Again I ask, some one please explain how the current logo makes any cooralation the Geocaching in Wisconsin. And as an orginization we are trying to get new people. I’d have to say that our advertising STINKS!

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. But who cares? The WGA is not the WGA website. The WGA is the WGA membership. If the Minnesota association came up with a kick-butt site I still wouldn’t join them because I don’t live there.

Regarding advertising, I don’t know what you’re basing your opinion on. Our advertising should be focused on letting people know we exist. I simply don’t see the logo having any influence on people making their decision.

Do what makes sense in a particular situation, get agreement from the committee or general membership as needed, and move forward on each project. KISS.

On the Left Side of the Road...

[cheezehead]

@gotta run wrote:

@cheezehead wrote:

Again I ask, some one please explain how the current logo makes any cooralation the Geocaching in Wisconsin. And as an orginization we are trying to get new people. I’d have to say that our advertising STINKS!

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. But who cares? The WGA is not the WGA website. The WGA is the WGA membership. If the Minnesota association came up with a kick-butt site I still wouldn’t join them because I don’t live there.

Regarding advertising, I don’t know what you’re basing your opinion on. Our advertising should be focused on letting people know we exist. I simply don’t see the logo having any influence on people making their decision.

Do what makes sense in a particular situation, get agreement from the committee or general membership as needed, and move forward on each project. KISS.

OK! Here we go again. 🙄 How many cachers from Northwestern Wisconsin belong to the WGA? How many ven know about the WGA? e.g. My Google post. Cool shirts are nade , but unless you live close to a WGA event, you have to travel 4-6 hrs to get one. We put a link to the WGA on our cache pages. That’s advertising. How does the current logo say anything about geocaching? Pretty blah colors id you ask me. It’s all about impules. The current logo does not give me any kind of impulse.
I liked the new muted back ground. Gave the page some color, some bling. Bling is a good thing.

If you lived in a WIsconsin border town, and cached in MN, MI, IL or IA,
would you join any of those groups?
Ok I guess I’m done once again, cuz my questions are still be ignored.
All I know that this is topic that will not go away

[mongo1965]

Ok so I may be a newbee here and really don’t want to say anything but some of what cheezehead made me have to say just a few things.

First I live up here in the north Rhinelander to be exact. I joined here when I first discovered geocaching and yes I have met a few follow cachers because of it.
Will I renew my membership when its up? If it was today no I would not. Why? Because outside of the forums is there anything here for me? Not really. The follow cachers I have met I’m sure I would have met them at Geocaching.com sooner or latter.
Like cheezehead I am not about to drive four hours to an event. So far I have been to one event and that was an hour drive that if I had to do it by myself I would not have done. Looking at the upcoming events the closest one come up is 59 miles away and at this time of year is close to a two hour drive south of me.
Heck I cant even change my user name here to match my ID on Geocaching.com. If you really want to do something with this site how about making it easer to find things. Like how to have ones logs from geocaching.com get here under recent logs or do you have to manually do the logs here also, or is this a secret only for long time members to know?
Feel free to flame me or ignore me but let me just say all this bickering about a logo has really turned me off from this site.

[seldom|seen]

Sucked in too deep… again. No surprise there, the cold weather always seems to do that.

Believe it or not, I am trying to be constructive. This is nothing more that an opinion poll, so you’d expect to see many varied opinions, just as we have.

As Ralph said, there is nothing on the table and no motion to consider or referendum item to vote on.

As I stated previously, I don’t think this rises to the same level of WGA action that was required to carry out the logo contest and adoption this year.

I would never have brought it up again if it had not been for the post about website enhancements. But, having gotten into that discussion with the webmaster, who thought my opinions had merit, the issue of the multiple logo variants invariably came up. I was simply curious to see, PURELY from an impact and graphic standpoint, if the body as a whole favored, what is still in my mind, a simple swap of one logo variant with another.

Here we have a a great looking upgraded full-color dynamic logo with motion, action and correlations to Wisconsin’s outdoor activities, tied into geocaching, at our disposal. All I’m trying to find out is if there is any significant reason we shouldn’t use it to make our site look better and more inspiring? Reasons beyond “if it ain’t broke”, “who cares”, “we’re a small non-profit so don’t need a good looking logo”, or “no one is going to come to the website because of the logo”. If that’s where your head is at, you’re missing the crux of my question and this poll.

[labrat_wr]

@jtravnick wrote:

Heck I cant even change my user name here to match my ID on Geocaching.com.

on “your Account” tab basic info it states that the site admin can change your user name.

@jtravnick wrote:

Like how to have ones logs from geocaching.com get here under recent logs or do you have to manually do the logs here also, or is this a secret only for long time members to know?

if I am reading this correctly—
on the second tab of “your account” there is a space for your Geocaching.com Profile Link.
from Geocaching.com, go to your profile then cut and paste the address bar to the spot on your account Geocaching.com Profile Link

this should allow the harvester to grab your logs. (I thought that it harvests all the logs from Wisconsin already but wouldn’t harvest out of state ones unless this link is filled in).

Disclaimer : Always answering to a higher power.

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