New cache question

[cacheseekers]

We’re working with a group of friends on setting up a pretty extensive multi-cache. One of the possible last legs of the cache may require some water to cross. We were considering locking a canoe up w/ a combo lock and placing the combination in another part of the multi-cache. Has anyone done this or run across it?

Obvious concerns are someone taking the canoe, and storage of the oars.

Or should we just post “A canoe or boat of some sort is required for the final leg of the cache.” in the webpage for it once we decide on it?

Just looking for some feedback on it.

Thanks!

Nick

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[houseofbrew]

I did see a cache that was located on the cache owner’s private property that happened to be a small cabin. By searching around, you’d find a hide-a-key, but instead of a log book, you found an actual key, and used it to get into the cabin, which was loaded with life size trade items.

Not sure what the others feel, but one suggestion would be to make sure the canoe was located in a place where it was appropriate (like you either had permission or it was on your land…maybe had a floatation device for safety sake?)

Personaly, I think it sounds like a cool idea!

[Green Bay Paddlers]

I hate to admit it but I’m afraid that you would lose your canoe. Especially now that some caches are being plundered, I think this would be a problem. If you really want to do this then I would make it a “members only” cache. That will keep at least some of the riff/raff (sp?) out…

On the other hand, I’ve been looking to set up a cache which would require you to canoe to it. I didn’t have any plans to provide the canoe though. After yapping with a number of other cachers at the campout, there are a number of people who own their own canoes/skiffs, etc… Nothing wrong with having a few caches out there that require some special equipment of your own. I’ll bet those caches in the Rocky Mountains don’t provide climbing gear! LOL

Sounds like a neat cache. If you put it together I would love it if you put the link on this thread. It probably wouldn’t come up in my weekly newsletter from Groundspeak. This is one I’d like to find!

[wzbt03]

A long multi with a boat (canoe etc.) finish is a great plan. I agree with Paddlers – make it a BYO boat and make the waypoint where you can set in and paddle to the area if need be.
I will give it a go – let me know when you get it up and going.
This type of cache would make a great one for groups to attack on the same day/time.

[subterranean]

I love the idea of providing a canoe for cachers!!! I don’t have a canoe or a vehicle to transport one with, but love to canoe. I would certainly rush out to do a cache like that… and after finding the final, I’d undoubtedly spend the rest of the day paddling around!

Is there any way that the paddles and floatation devices could be locked up as well? Also, in an effort to prevent theft, you could make the multi very difficult… maybe even make us do a few other difficult caches before we can email you for the coordinates for this canoe cache (like wzbt’s six-pack idea).

I’m looking forward to learning what you decide to do.

Matt

[This message has been edited by subterranean (edited 06-21-2004).]

[kbraband]

I think it sounds like a neat idea. The only problem is that nasty issue of liability. If you provide a canoe and blanket permission to use it without supervision, you may be liable if someone uses it who is it not experienced or trained to do so, especially a minor. The safer route would be BYO boat.

[subterranean]

I’d never thought about the liability issue. The little disclaimer on each cache page about hunting caches at your own risk may not cover situations such as this, I suppose. Maybe that’s another reason to have cachers email you first. That way, you could verify that no minors are going out on their own. Maybe you could even have us sign a waiver, somehow?? I don’t know… I just love the idea!!

Matt

[Green Bay Paddlers]

I agree with Ken. I spent a few years in the insurance industry before teaching. That ugly “L” word [liability] can get pretty vague in this type of situation.

Some form of written waiver would be next to impossible to enforce. The canoe on the site open for anyone to use would be considered an “attractive nuisance” (much like a swimming pool which is why fences are required…) and you could get into a bind if a kid comes and takes it out and then flips…

Personally, I’d stay on the safe side on this one…

[GeoPink]

I’ve just placed one of my SubSeries caches near an area maintained by the DNR that has specified canoe lock-up areas. I thought the idea very interesting too. I would suggest that if you were to do this…
1) It would have to be a remote enough location that only serious, honest outdoorsfolks would come across it.
2) You should include Personal Flotation Devices (Lifejackets) as well as oars.
3) Life jackets and oars placed at a different location would prevent the accidental tourist from joy-riding and would make the canoe a less attractive target for anyone inclined to mischief.

I would truly like to see more caches like this that would give cachers a chance to get places easily accessible otherwise. The dangers of liablility, potential misuse, and cacher stupidity exist. This cache in Hawaii has an extensive disclaimer on it because of some potential risks. Just some thoughts and ideas. I hope you can figure this one out!
I was going to make the final of my Submarine series a Canoe or Boat accessible cache but have since decided against it. It is too cool to limit its exposure.
Good Luck!

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[admin]

horeshoe hideaway is on an island in door county and we(some friends and myself) had to use a boat to get to. we do not supply a boat although rentals are available nearby. the cache has had limited use, but we still thought the cache was a cool idea.

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[skarolek]

Another obvious concern would be LIABILITY.

Although that idea sounds fun!

Steve K

[skarolek]

quote:

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Originally posted by skarolek:
Another obvious concern would be LIABILITY.
Steve K

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Hey Steve, next time read the thread first, OK?

Steve K

[Ray]

quote:

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Originally posted by skarolek:
Hey Steve, next time read the thread first, OK?

Steve K

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Steve, You shouldn’t be so hard on Steve. He was just trying to be helpful. You might make him feel badly.
tb

[Ray]

It’s a great idea. It adds some diversity to the stock of available caches. Lose the boat and rate terraine 5. That is what the rating is for ~ special gear is required. Include the requirement in your cache description and I believe you have done all that you can to resolve the liability issue.

I think you will find only a select few finding this cache. Make sure it is waterproof since it may be a long time between visits.

I’m betting wzbt03 does the FTF dance.

[cacheseekers]

Thanks for all of the great input. I’ll be sure to post an update to the forums here once we deploy the cache(s)

Nick

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