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I have never deleted a log because of incorrect answers and believe me, I’ve gotten many with incorrect answers. I just want people to show that they were actually there and put in a little bit of thought into it. I bet that a lot of EarthCache owners are like that so you shouldn’t be too intimidated by the process. It’s the no answers at all thing that really drives me crazy.
Not all who wander are lost. -J.R.R. Tolkien
@beccaday wrote:
I have never deleted a log because of incorrect answers and believe me, I’ve gotten many with incorrect answers. I just want people to show that they were actually there and put in a little bit of thought into it. I bet that a lot of EarthCache owners are like that so you shouldn’t be too intimidated by the process. It’s the no answers at all thing that really drives me crazy.
The more E.C.’s I do the more I enjoy the exchange with the owners when one is received. So far all of the exchanges have been very nice and helpful. A category of cache that I avoided in the beginning that has now become one I put on the list to check out. Thanks to all of those who put in the time and effort to create them.
How strange…
I just received correct answers on our 1 EC, but no one has visited in a month!
Correct answers and no “Found it” log? 😕
LOL! I wish I had that problem! Actually, every once in a while I do get the answers first and they wait for confirmation to log it. But that doesn’t happen too often.
Not all who wander are lost. -J.R.R. Tolkien
***NEVERMIND*** 👿
Oh boy, I really shouldn’t have said that. Just 2 days after I said I’ve never deleted a log for wrong answers then I am forced into doing so. Here was my email to the armchair logger:
“Hello, I have been debating over the right thing to do in this situation. Clearly you were on vacation in Hawaii back in April but this cache wasn’t published until late August. You did not visit the area with the intent of caching. I can’t even tell that you visited the area at all because most of your answers are wrong and you don’t even have a photo of you in the valley to prove that you were there. I want to maintain the integrity of the EarthCache program so that caches aren’t armchair logged and I want to make it fair to people who actually go and do the work to earn their “found it” log. I feel that the right thing to do is to delete your log. I’m sorry, I do not enjoy doing this. I may have felt differently about it if you had told me you visited the area before it was published and asked if it was OK but instead you lied to me in your email and told me you found it with your Canadian cell phone. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me again.
Beccaday”
So what do you think? Was this reasonable?
Not all who wander are lost. -J.R.R. Tolkien
To be honest, since the photo requirement was stripped as verification I haven’t given much of a damn who or how my ECs are logged. Groundspeak cut off what I feel was the best way to determine a visit and still expects us to protect the integrity of the finds? No, I don’t think so.
Unless there is overwhelming evidence that someone didn’t visit the location, I could care less about the answers provided. If there is a pic posted I often don’t even bother reading the emails…..am I bitter about the EC program and how it’s handled? You bet!
Taking away a reliable means of a visits verification has really made the integrity of true finds a thing of the past.
i have had the same problem lately. sounds mean but i added a “log will be deleted if answers not recieved” to my cache pages. and so far it has had no effect. still getting no answers with the found logs. whats really sad is when an upper level wga member with 10-15 ec’s that they own themselves doesn’t send the answers to recently “found” ec’s that i own. what’s the use of continueing?
Just like other threads where we’ve beat the dead horse. Keep the faith though folks. There are still many of us that play by the intent of the CO whether it be physically signing the log on a simple P&G (vs. just a drive by), visit all stages of a multi, solve all the puzzles we claim as found, etc.
EC’s are no exception to me. When we were out west earlier in the summer I could have easily armchair logged additional EC’s / Virtuals, based on 1/2 correct answers and/or online information. In fact I found much of the info online, but that just helped with pre-educating our kids prior to the trip about what we were going to see and why it was important.
This game has really become all about the numbers and much less to do about the experiences, learning, visting “cool” places, etc. Puzzle solves are passed out like candy to anyone that wants them, EC answers are shared as are the final stage coords for multi’s. I’ve also had cachers tell me flat out they don’t bother to get out of the car to sign the log (or find the cache) on low D/T P&G caches (they assume that being in the vicinity is “good enough”).
@codejunkie wrote:
Just like other threads where we’ve beat the dead horse. Keep the faith though folks. There are still many of us that play by the intent of the CO whether it be physically signing the log on a simple P&G (vs. just a drive by), visit all stages of a multi, solve all the puzzles we claim as found, etc.
EC’s are no exception to me. When we were out west earlier in the summer I could have easily armchair logged additional EC’s / Virtuals, based on 1/2 correct answers and/or online information. In fact I found much of the info online, but that just helped with pre-educating our kids prior to the trip about what we were going to see and why it was important.
This game has really become all about the numbers and much less to do about the experiences, learning, visting “cool” places, etc. Puzzle solves are passed out like candy to anyone that wants them, EC answers are shared as are the final stage coords for multi’s. I’ve also had cachers tell me flat out they don’t bother to get out of the car to sign the log (or find the cache) on low D/T P&G caches (they assume that being in the vicinity is “good enough”).
Not to derail the thread but I agree with most of what you have posted…and have seen it happen. I did a flurry of P&Gs in West Bend during the event and some were missing…but they were logged as found by some folks anyway.
Also I have seen many times (and recently) where tough hides are reveled to those who ask….
To each their own I guess.
@codejunkie wrote:
This game has really become all about the numbers and much less to do about the experiences, learning, visting “cool” places, etc. Puzzle solves are passed out like candy to anyone that wants them, EC answers are shared as are the final stage coords for multi’s. I’ve also had cachers tell me flat out they don’t bother to get out of the car to sign the log (or find the cache) on low D/T P&G caches (they assume that being in the vicinity is “good enough”).
DING DING DING! That’s the correct answer.
It comes down to an individuals integrity. I care about it when people who are less than forthcoming log a dishonest log but many will slip thru the cracks. I respect those of you who valiantly police the fact but I don’t choose to dwell on it. I know that I personally play the game fairly and I can honestly say I do. I also know many individuals that don’t, and they choose to be dishonest. Do they derive the same pleasure I do from this game? Maybe? To a great extent? But they also know that others out there will eventually call them on their integrity.
Yet for all the justified grumbling about the game, there are more and more and more caches including ECs placed every day. It seems there is no limit to the number that the game can sustain. What explains the paradox?
On the Left Side of the Road...I really don’t see a large number of EC submissions anymore. Maybe 2-3 a week in Wisconsin (most of which never see publication). The large number of P&Gs put out are usually placed by numbers hounds for other numbers hounds. My typical review night would be 30-40 caches, of which all but 5-10 are roadside park and grabs (usually all placed by the same person or maybe two placers.) As a finder, I now just ignore these most of the time.
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