Rabble Rousing…to post or not to post?

[TyeDyeSkyGuy]

MajorBrat wrote:

Asking me open a new thread providing my opinion is being chicken shi#. quote]

If I’m reading your post correctly, it does not call his idea Chicken*****, it calls him chicken*****. Only a conscious intelligent being can ask something. An idea can not.

You may call this semantics if you like. I personally think you are backpedaling now. Either way, it’s name calling and has no place in this forum, in my humble noob opinion.

Smile, it makes the day go better! 😀

[Commander Bob]

@Cheesehead Dave wrote:

“Someone” called “someone else” “Chicken****” in “the thread in question”, so I wouldn’t quite say it was 100% personal attack free.

I don’t think that was in response to a call for censorship, it was merely a request to take a well-warranted discussion out of a thread for which it was off-topic, and start a new thread so it could be discussed properly.

Perhaps it is semantics…calling an idea or a suggestion CS and calling a person CS, in my opinion, are two different things. But as long as were discussing this particular post, I’ll offer my outlook on it. Going back through the thread there are at least a dozen other posts that are just as off topic, yet you only called out one person. We’ve seen topics bounce from one end of the spectrum to the other quite frequently here in the WGA forums, and it usually never bothers anyone. I understand you frequent the GC.com forums quite regularly (or have in the past) where the need for moderators is warranted, but I’d like to think here on our own more personal, more informal, message boards, such actions are not necessary. Perhaps asking the discussion to be started in another thread was taken the wrong way, since it’s rarely enforced around here. And perhaps you singled out one specific person because she allows herself to become an easy target. Either way, I personally found the request to be out of character, and wrongfully directed. I believe the call to not allow our message boards to become like GC.com can go both ways. For the most part, we self regulate ourselves fairly well, and rarely find the need to call in the authorities. Perhaps that is exactly what you were trying to do, and I’d agree with your point that the discussion was moving off topic, but I just as strongly disagree with you singling out one specific person. Your post would of had the same meaning without the quote, and without making one person feel they were to blame. Strange that there are still posts being made off topic right now, yet you don’t feel the need to police the thread anymore. I guess it’s a question of motives.

~CB

[GeoPink]

@MajorBrat wrote:

“Someone” called “someone else” “Chicken****” in “the thread”….yada yada yada.

[snip paragraph]

Yada Yada Yada… people are still crying foul, and the same people…

😆 😀

Anyone else find that laugh out loud funny?

😆 😀

I now return you to your regularily scheduled forum debate.

[TyeDyeSkyGuy]

@GeoPink wrote:

@MajorBrat wrote:

“Someone” called “someone else” “Chicken****” in “the thread”….yada yada yada.

[snip paragraph]

Yada Yada Yada… people are still crying foul, and the same people…

😆 😀

Anyone else find that laugh out loud funny?

😆 😀

I now return you to your regularily scheduled forum debate.

I must be slow or tired. I had to read that three times to see the humor! But now I’m laughing. 😆

[zuma]

Well, first off, I have to admit that I dont read these forums as closely as some folks do, generally checking for geocaching related news and views once a week or so, so I may not fully understand all the rabble rousing. But since others here post there opinions freely appear no better informed than myself, I guess I should feel free to post my opinion as well. Plus, I found a case of beer at a cache this morning, and have already started into it, and I think that is what must fuel some of these crazy threads. So here goes:

First of all, I feel that the BOD is doing an excellent job, and that some of we WGA members who are non-board members need to stand up and say so. I really appreciate, for example, the work on the new web page, the De Lorme challenge calculator, the work with the DNR, the cache rescue effort, and the hosting and development of great events. I am quite surprized that anyone would actually have a legitimate gripe about the hard work that our volunteer BOD members do.

Second of all, I cannot let the personal attacks against individual BOD members go unchallenged. The individuals that I have met are very dedicated to the sport, and have offered much of themselves and their time to make the sport better in Wisconsin. Those who would suggest that some BOD members are “not on the trails” are both ill-informed and foolish.

Third, I have to say that rabble rousing in general can be a good thing. After all the signers of the Declaration of Independence were really nothing but rabble rousers. When rabble rousing is not a good thing is when it is done without a purpose to improve things. It is much easier to critizise others than it is to do something positive yourself. Iif you want to improve the world, ya gotta do more than just bitch and whine about other people, and hope someone makes a minor faux pas that you can make fun of. To me, that is just a very weird way of getting one’s jollies, and really does not contribute much of worth.

zuma

[Flushingrouse]

@zuma wrote:

Third, I have to say that rabble rousing in general can be a good thing. After all the signers of the Declaration of Independence were really nothing but rabble rousers. When rabble rousing is not a good thing is when it is done without a purpose to improve things. It is much easier to critizise others than it is to do something positive yourself. Iif you want to improve the world, ya gotta do more than just bitch and whine about other people, and hope someone makes a minor faux pas that you can make fun of. To me, that is just a very weird way of getting one’s jollies, and really does not contribute much of worth.

zuma

Well Put!!!

[Commander Bob]

@zuma wrote:

But since others here post there opinions freely appear no better informed than myself, I guess I should feel free to post my opinion as well.

Posting your opinion is exactly what I’m standing up for here…however I may have an issue with your view of others being less informed.

@zuma wrote:

Those who would suggest that some BOD members are “not on the trails” are both ill-informed and foolish.

A simple check of a person’s profile may “inform” you otherwise. Making a statement like this without checking the facts could be considered foolish.

@zuma wrote:

..the work on the new web page, the De Lorme challenge calculator,…

Neither of these are the work of our BOD.

@zuma wrote:

I cannot let the personal attacks against individual BOD members go unchallenged.

What personal attacks?

@zuma wrote:

When rabble rousing is not a good thing is when it is done without a purpose to improve things. It is much easier to criticize others than it is to do something positive yourself. Iif you want to improve the world, ya gotta do more than just bitch and whine about other people,…

The original issue came about because there was a call to allow members a voice in certain WGA decisions…which some board members were quick to deny. It was actually an attempt at something positive, and asking to become involved. Is this just bitching and whining?

@zuma wrote:

I am quite surprised that anyone would actually have a legitimate gripe about the hard work that our volunteer BOD members do.

Board members are no different that any other elected officials, and should be held accountable for their actions, (or lack of). Having a difference of opinion with a BOD member shouldn’t be considered treason, although there are many here who feel it is trampling upon hallowed ground.

That being said, I’d like to point out that there are some board members who are doing a great job, and I’ve told them so. Do I always agree with every position and every decision…of course not. But unless someone voices a different view, how will they know?

@zuma wrote:

Plus, I found a case of beer at a cache this morning…

I gotta go caching with you. 😉

~CB

zuma[/quote]

[bnb]

@Commander Bob wrote:

@zuma wrote:

Those who would suggest that some BOD members are “not on the trails” are both ill-informed and foolish.

A simple check of a person’s profile may “inform” you otherwise. Making a statement like this without checking the facts could be considered foolish.

A geocaching.com profile is not proof of a person’s geocaching activity. If not all cache finds are logged, and not all cache hides are part of geocaching.com, they would not appear in the profile.

[Commander Bob]

@bnb wrote:

@Commander Bob wrote:

@zuma wrote:

Those who would suggest that some BOD members are “not on the trails” are both ill-informed and foolish.

A simple check of a person’s profile may “inform” you otherwise. Making a statement like this without checking the facts could be considered foolish.

A geocaching.com profile is not proof of a person’s geocaching activity. If not all cache finds are logged, and not all cache hides are part of geocaching.com, they would not appear in the profile.

I suppose you can make an exception to anything if you stretch far enough. I’ll admit not every cacher logs their finds, or searches for geocaching.com caches, but do you really believe this to be the case? Let’s face it, there are some board members who are simply inactive when it comes to caching. While it’s not a requirement of board members to be active cachers, it certainly is a good way to keep up with the pulse of caching, the trends, the new and different ideas that are being put out there.

To post this response, with seemingly far fetched excuses, seems to be yet another example of the BOD’s fear of criticism.

~CB

[marc_54140]

If I found a case of beer at a cache ….. I would not share it!

[Team Hemisphere Dancer]

My philosophy is that “beer is meant to be shared.”

So I’d share it, but you’d have to be fast to get a fair share.

[Cache_boppin_BunnyFuFu]

@Team Hemisphere Dancer wrote:

My philosophy is that “beer is meant to be shared.”

So I’d share it, but you’d have to be fast to get a fair share.

If it’s regular old beer, I’d share it.. If it’s Red or Cherry Wheat…..roll me for it!! LOL

[zuma]

[Bunny FuFu said.[/quote]
If it’s regular old beer, I’d share it.. If it’s Red or Cherry Wheat…..roll me for it!! LOL[/quote]

It was a case of Busch Lite, which tastes like flavored water, in my view. But, can I still roll ya for it???? I still have 21 cans left.

zuma

[Team Hemisphere Dancer]

I have 2 favorite kinds of beer.

Cold and Free

MMMMM put them together

[MajorBrat]

Didn’t I see some whining somewhere about people trying to derail thread topics? Why aren’t they whining on this thread? The last several posts are great examples of how easily the drailments happen.

On topic:
@bnb wrote:

@Commander Bob wrote:

@zuma wrote:

Those who would suggest that some BOD members are “not on the trails” are both ill-informed and foolish.

A simple check of a person’s profile may “inform” you otherwise. Making a statement like this without checking the facts could be considered foolish.

A geocaching.com profile is not proof of a person’s geocaching activity. If not all cache finds are logged, and not all cache hides are part of geocaching.com, they would not appear in the profile.

We completely understand not logging all on the caches a person does. We’re still trying to log the ones from GW4 until now. And then there are the hundreds that we’ve just given up on and tossed aside. However, if in fact one of our BOD members is seeking hides from another site instead of GC.com, they aren’t actually geocaching. They are seeking hides from some other site. If
Geocaching isn’t being done by them, are they actually representing the Wisconsin Geocaching Assocaition well? I personally think one who represents us, should be one of us! But like Bob said, “…far fetched excuses…”

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