Rabble Rousing…to post or not to post?

[GeoPink]

I haven’t logged any of my cache finds since before the Campout. I have cached in three new states since then. Profiles aren’t always the best answer. Just ask. I certainly hope that if someone is unhappy with what I am or am not doing, they’d let me know. So far I’ve had no direct complaints. I believe a blanket statement that “the board fears criticism” is baseless and silly. And “far-fetched” or otherwise, I’ve nothing to make an excuse for.

[Pto]

We completely understand not logging all on the caches a person does. We’re still trying to log the ones from GW4 until now. And then there are the hundreds that we’ve just given up on and tossed aside. However, if in fact one of our BOD members is seeking hides from another site instead of GC.com, they aren’t actually geocaching. They are seeking hides from some other site. If Geocaching isn’t being done by them, are they actually representing the Wisconsin Geocaching Assocaition well? I personally think one who represents us, should be one of us! But like Bob said, “…far fetched excuses…”

IMO, “geocaching” is the sport/hobby/etc- geocaching.com is A listing service for geocaches. It, in and by itself is NOT “geocaching”, but a hosting site, just as Navicache, etc are.

[MajorBrat]

@Pto wrote:

We completely understand not logging all on the caches a person does. We’re still trying to log the ones from GW4 until now. And then there are the hundreds that we’ve just given up on and tossed aside. However, if in fact one of our BOD members is seeking hides from another site instead of GC.com, they aren’t actually geocaching. They are seeking hides from some other site. If Geocaching isn’t being done by them, are they actually representing the Wisconsin Geocaching Assocaition well? I personally think one who represents us, should be one of us! But like Bob said, “…far fetched excuses…”

IMO, “geocaching” is the sport/hobby/etc- geocaching.com is A listing service for geocaches. It, in and by itself is NOT “geocaching”, but a hosting site, just as Navicache, etc are.

SO WHAT! That really has no basis here! Since the WGA was created as a part of gc.com, and the BOD was voted into office under the gc.com, navicache, terracaching, seekers in the woods, plastic under bushes…whatever…none of those mean anything on this site! So, if members of the BOD are seeking hides under a different site, good for them. If they are listing hides, logging finds, walking without logging, good for them. But, it is my belief that they shouldn’t be doing those things and telling me that they are representing me. I am a member of the WGA…I hunt hides listed on gc.com…I attend events listed on the gc.com site…I personally like the BOD members who do the same thing.

[Pto]

@MajorBrat wrote:

@Pto wrote:

We completely understand not logging all on the caches a person does. We’re still trying to log the ones from GW4 until now. And then there are the hundreds that we’ve just given up on and tossed aside. However, if in fact one of our BOD members is seeking hides from another site instead of GC.com, they aren’t actually geocaching. They are seeking hides from some other site. If Geocaching isn’t being done by them, are they actually representing the Wisconsin Geocaching Association well? I personally think one who represents us, should be one of us! But like Bob said, “…far fetched excuses…”

IMO, “geocaching” is the sport/hobby/etc- geocaching.com is A listing service for geocaches. It, in and by itself is NOT “geocaching”, but a hosting site, just as Navicache, etc are.

SO WHAT! That really has no basis here! Since the WGA was created as a part of gc.com, and the BOD was voted into office under the gc.com, navicache, terracaching, seekers in the woods, plastic under bushes…whatever…none of those mean anything on this site! So, if members of the BOD are seeking hides under a different site, good for them. If they are listing hides, logging finds, walking without logging, good for them. But, it is my belief that they shouldn’t be doing those things and telling me that they are representing me. I am a member of the WGA…I hunt hides listed on gc.com…I attend events listed on the gc.com site…I personally like the BOD members who do the same thing.

I don’t follow your logic. 😕 WGA wasn’t created “as part of gc.com”
They are Not affiliated, not related, not co-owner or anything else. They are completely 100% separate entities. I didn’t see anything about it in the bylaws, or about us pages here on Wi-geo website. I believe this point to be untrue, unless you can show me where you gathered your info/logic? Link please.?

. . and the BOD was voted into office under the gc.com, navicache, terracaching, seekers in the woods, plastic under bushes.. .whatever…none of those mean anything on this site!

What? “under gc.com” ? I don’t understand what you mean here?

But, it is my belief that they shouldn’t be doing those things and telling me that they are representing me. I am a member of the WGA…I hunt hides listed on gc.com…I attend events listed on the gc.com site…I personally like the BOD members who do the same thing.

Your personal beliefs versus some simple facts: Geocaching is geocaching. Representing cachers in WI by working with the DNR,and other state agencies, etc is their purpose- which is not dependent on gc.com, in any sense.
Representing “cachers” in Wisconsin includes ALL cachers – Not just those who use gc.com. WGA is an association of cachers. Geocaching is seeking out hidden things in the woods, Not a website that lists such hidden things. Issues relevant to geocaching impacts ALL cachers, not just those who use gc.com.

I am a member of the WGA…I hunt hides listed on gc.com & Navicache & terracache, and special hides between Friends listed on other sites. I attend events listed on gc.com & other geocaching related sites.

The work WGA has done has befitted me greatly, regardless of which site lists the caches I seek, or the Caching events I attend.

[MajorBrat]

PTO,

The gc.com site was created at a time when the only other type of hide and seek game in the woods was “letterboxing.” The WGA was created by people playing on the gc.com pages and continues to represent those people today. All members of the WGA are members on the Groundspeak site. And…bottom line is…without Jeremy and friends starting the Groundspeak site, you don’t even know that any of those other sites you play on would be out there. Any questions, check out this site: http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Geocaching
And note that all references to “geocaching” pertain to links taking you to gc.com pages. (side note: be sure to click on the Dave Ulmer link. The history is interesting!)

I’m not saying it’s bad, or wrong to play on the other sites, I’m just saying that while there are those…obviously yourself included…who may think otherwise, the gc.com members are the members the WGA BOD needs to concern themselves with today!

(I am curious about something though…how is it that someone who lives in St. Paul, MN, has been a gc.com member since July 8, 2003, and has 80 finds, finds themselves telling people who actually live in the state of WI what they can and can’t think about their association.)

Why don’t you go out and log 2000+ finds, travel to 19 states in search of hides, attend several CITO events to clean up parks, as well as collect seeds for the WI DNR, assist in the planning, execution of, and cleaning up of some WGA events (and cache hides), work with the WI Visitors Bureau, have an AP reporter follow you around for a day seeking hides (stopping on the way home to buy a GPSR because of the fun he had…attending an event you hosted…caching with you and your friends after the event…), visit a couple of city council meetings to see what’s happening with Geocaching, get paid to help newbies better prepare themselves for a day on the trails, as well as countless other activities for the sport of GEOCACHING, then tell me what the WGA should mean to me again! Oh yes, and unless you’ve done so without changing it on your gc.com profile, MOVE TO WISCONSIN! Perhaps then I’ll have more respect for what you think you know about my state and my assocation!

MajorBrat
(A proud and active voting member of the WGA!)

[GeoPink]

@MajorBrat wrote:

PTO,

The gc.com site was created at a time when the only other type of hide and seek game in the woods was “letterboxing.” The WGA was created by people playing on the gc.com pages and continues to represent those people today. All members of the WGA are members on the Groundspeak site. Though it is not a requirement. And…bottom line is…without Jeremy and friends starting the Groundspeak site, you don’t even know that any of those other sites you play on would be out there. Any questions, check out this site: http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Geocaching
And note that all references to “geocaching” pertain to links taking you to gc.com pages. (side note: be sure to click on the Dave Ulmer link. The history is interesting!)(another side note: the fact that one website chooses to link all its related links to gc.com proves only that there is a website that chooses to link all its links to gc.com. Not that it seems to matter but WikiPedia list nine different listing sites. Its a matter of where you get your information.

I’m not saying it’s bad, or wrong to play on the other sites, I’m just saying that while there are those…obviously yourself included…who may think otherwise, the gc.com members are the members the WGA BOD needs to concern themselves with today!
I would tend to disagree here. The WGA BoD and the WGA is here to represent all Wisconsin geocachers. That said, the geocachers I worry about making a negative impact in the state are the ones who list on sites other than gc.com. The listsing on those site are not necessarily consistant with gc.com rules. The listings on those sites may not enforce the rules and guidelines that we in the WGA have worked so hard to put together with the DNR. The danger is not those on gc.com who know or will find out about the guidelines. The danger is from those who by chance or choice place and search geocaches that could threaten geocaching in WI.

(I am curious about something though…how is it that someone who lives in St. Paul, MN, has been a gc.com member since July 8, 2003, and has 80 finds, finds themselves telling people who actually live in the state of WI what they can and can’t think about their association.)

Why don’t you go out and log 2000+ finds, travel to 19 states in search of hides, attend several CITO events to clean up parks, as well as collect seeds for the WI DNR, assist in the planning, execution of, and cleaning up of some WGA events (and cache hides), work with the WI Visitors Bureau, have an AP reporter follow you around for a day seeking hides (stopping on the way home to buy a GPSR because of the fun he had…attending an event you hosted…caching with you and your friends after the event…), visit a couple of city council meetings to see what’s happening with Geocaching, get paid to help newbies better prepare themselves for a day on the trails, as well as countless other activities for the sport of GEOCACHING, then tell me what the WGA should mean to me again! Oh yes, and unless you’ve done so without changing it on your gc.com profile, MOVE TO WISCONSIN! Perhaps then I’ll have more respect for what you think you know about my state and my assocation!
The opinions of the newbie who has yet to log a find are no more or no less valuable than the opinions of the seasoned geocacher. The reader can choose to place whatever value they’d like on what they read. But all opinions should be treated equally and with respect here on the forums.
MajorBrat
(A proud and active voting member of the WGA!)

Incidentally, PTO is listed as a “WGA Member” under his name above. that means two things. He has submitted his information with a WI address and he has a verifiable email address.

[Johnny Cache]

@MajorBrat wrote:

Why don’t you go out and log 2000+ finds, travel to 19 states in search of hides, attend several CITO events to clean up parks, as well as collect seeds for the WI DNR, assist in the planning, execution of, and cleaning up of some WGA events (and cache hides), work with the WI Visitors Bureau, have an AP reporter follow you around for a day seeking hides (stopping on the way home to buy a GPSR because of the fun he had…attending an event you hosted…caching with you and your friends after the event…), visit a couple of city council meetings to see what’s happening with Geocaching, get paid to help newbies better prepare themselves for a day on the trails, as well as countless other activities for the sport of GEOCACHING, then tell me what the WGA should mean to me again!

MajorBrat
(A proud and active voting member of the WGA!)

@CB&MB wrote:

“The only numbers that matter are the number of friends you make!” The rest just doesn’t count!

I’m confused.

[Pto]

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@GeoPink wrote:

@MajorBrat wrote:

PTO,

The gc.com site was created at a time when the only other type of hide and seek game in the woods was “letterboxing.” The WGA was created by people playing on the gc.com pages and continues to represent those people today. All members of the WGA are members on the Groundspeak site. Though it is not a requirement. And…bottom line is…without Jeremy and friends starting the Groundspeak site, you don’t even know that any of those other sites you play on would be out there. Any questions, check out this site: http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Geocaching
And note that all references to “geocaching” pertain to links taking you to gc.com pages. (side note: be sure to click on the Dave Ulmer link. The history is interesting!)(another side note: the fact that one website chooses to link all its related links to gc.com proves only that there is a website that chooses to link all its links to gc.com.
I agree. Its wiki.
Not that it seems to matter but WikiPedia list nine different listing sites. Its a matter of where you get your information.

I’m not saying it’s bad, or wrong to play on the other sites, I’m just saying that while there are those…obviously yourself included…who may think otherwise, the gc.com members are the members the WGA BOD needs to concern themselves with today!
I would tend to disagree here. The WGA BoD and the WGA is here to represent all Wisconsin geocachers. That said, the geocachers I worry about making a negative impact in the state are the ones who list on sites other than gc.com. The listings on those site are not necessarily consistent with gc.com rules. The listings on those sites may not enforce the rules and guidelines that we in the WGA have worked so hard to put together with the DNR. The danger is not those on gc.com who know or will find out about the guidelines. The danger is from those who by chance or choice place and search geocaches that could threaten geocaching in WI.
All my hides that may be listed on other sites conform to gc.com hiding guidelines, since they are mainly listed there. Interestingly enough, they have never been logged by another sites user.?

None of my caching activities strays from the policies and guidelines in place by gc.com, the WiDnr, or other land managers – anyone. Ive been been doing plenty of policy research for several years, and worked with the WiDnr on several issues over the years. Ive worked to educate people on the sport, and following all the guidelines. Ive done lots of Cito, although it was more volunteer park cleanup than caching. I could go on but don’t see the point.
GeoPink- I understand your concerns, but 1)my main point was, WGA represents all Wi cachers, and that other sites exist. 2)I understand and fully comply with all gc.com caching guidelines, and all other policies in place- nobody has anything to worry about

(I am curious about something though…how is it that someone who lives in St. Paul, MN, has been a gc.com member since July 8, 2003, and has 80 finds, finds themselves telling people who actually live in the state of WI what they can and can’t think about their association.)

What does my caching history have to do with the questions I posed to you? Or the rest for that matter.?
I don’t think I told anyone what they can or cant think? I asked you for clarifications on your points made, and made some counter points- but after re reading my posts, I don’t see anywhere that I tell you what to think? Reference please.?
As for the St. Paul/ Wi thing, see below.

Why don’t you go out and log 2000+ finds, travel to 19 states in search of hides, attend several CITO events to clean up parks, as well as collect seeds for the WI DNR, assist in the planning, execution of, and cleaning up of some WGA events (and cache hides), work with the WI Visitors Bureau, have an AP reporter follow you around for a day seeking hides (stopping on the way home to buy a GPSR because of the fun he had…attending an event you hosted…caching with you and your friends after the event…), visit a couple of city council meetings to see what’s happening with Geocaching, get paid to help newbies better prepare themselves for a day on the trails, as well as countless other activities for the sport of GEOCACHING, then tell me what the WGA should mean to me again! Oh yes, and unless you’ve done so without changing it on your gc.com profile, MOVE TO WISCONSIN! Perhaps then I’ll have more respect for what you think you know about my state and my assocation!
MajorBrat
(A proud and active voting member of the WGA!)

The opinions of the newbie who has yet to log a find are no more or no less valuable than the opinions of the seasoned geocacher. The reader can choose to place whatever value they’d like on what they read. But all opinions should be treated equally and with respect here on the forums.

You have more time on your hands to be active than I do. Why, is irrelevant. My find count is too for that matter.
My join date is important, in that you’ve noticed Ive been around the game for a while. I don’t plan to post my resume here of everything Ive ever accomplished, because I don’t Need the self recognition- or care to post those kinds of things to hold over others.

Incidentally, PTO is listed as a “WGA Member” under his name above. that means two things. He has submitted his information with a WI address and he has a verifiable email address.

If viewing my gc.com profile is all the more “searching” you did, then it shows allot. I have a valid WI address. WI BOD can easily verify it against my personal info, and match the property to me.
I used the same yahoo addy as I did at gc.com.

Briefly- although an explanation to You isn’t needed, To own a residence in MN you need to homestead it. I do own a home in Wisconsin.
A person can not homestead 2 properties at once, in 2 different states.
The cabin designation is based on my main residence, and TAXING me as an out of state resident. “Moving” to WI is simply a paperwork process- and a technicality . Kinda like marriage after being together 10+ years, but also with many implications.

Where I spend my days between the two, and how I choose to register it with the 2 states are simply personal items that are unnecessary to explain to you.

I don’t care what respect you have for me, but I have None for you-

[Sudie]

ENOUGH ALREADY!
Take it to email or Ma Bell!
This is getting tiresome.

[Buy_The_Tie]

Please,

No personal attacks or name calling in these forums.

[kbraband]

@Buy_The_Tie wrote:

Please,

No personal attacks or name calling in these forums.

Thank you.

[MajorBrat]

😆

[TyeDyeSkyGuy]

Give it a rest or rent a boxing ring. This is getting old. 🙄

[GeoPink]

@tyedyeskyguy wrote:

…rent a boxing ring.

Now there’s an idea for some “other” types of activities at our events… 😆

[Team Deejay]

Is there anyway we can mark a thread as ignore, so the new messages don’t show up as unread?

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