Reviewer question-seed caches-yes or no?

[cheezehead]

Can I still put out a seed cache if I do not require that the seeds be places in order to get the log? I have heard that GC has put the kibosh to this practice. Is that true?

[Team Deejay]

Optional seed caches are allowed; caches REQUIRING that you place a seed are not allowed. When considering a seed cache, please think about whether the area where you will place it will benefit from an explosion of new micro caches (or place a seed cache with bigger containers, such as GC100AX).

[cheezehead]

@Team Deejay wrote:

Optional seed caches are allowed; caches REQUIRING that you place a seed are not allowed. When considering a seed cache, please think about whether the area where you will place it will benefit from an explosion of new micro caches (or place a seed cache with bigger containers, such as GC100AX).

I have a big rubber made tote that I’m going to use. I was planning to use an assortment of containers. Some big pill bottles, some small, but also some gallon sizes plastic containers and some that are medium sized too. Since I do not like micros too much there ain’t gonna be to many of them in the container.

[rogheff]

Interesting that you should mention “Be Like Rogheff“. Equally interesting is the comment about an explosion of new caches.

Maybe others have had a different experience than I, but the 50 or so ammo cans that have been taken out of that cache have netted only about 10 new caches. Is that common for seed caches or do people just like to collect ammo cans?

[3 Hawks]

@rogheff wrote:

Interesting that you should mention “Be Like Rogheff“. Equally interesting is the comment about an explosion of new caches.

Maybe others have had a different experience than I, but the 50 or so ammo cans that have been taken out of that cache have netted only about 10 new caches. Is that common for seed caches or do people just like to collect ammo cans?

OK!! Stop yelling!! I will get the “Be Like Rogheff” seed in my possession out sometime soon. I’ve been waiting for proper inspiration but some of us have a hard time thinking like Rogheff.

[rogheff]

Matt, you just have to place yourself in the proper position to accept the ways of Rogheff.

1 – Cover yourself in mud, sawdust or pine sap
2 – Go to the Goodwill store looking for proper inspiration.
3 – Listen to EVERYTHING that everyone says to you, you will find inspiration.
4 – Surround yourself with lots of screaming kids.
5 – Surround yourself with lots of screaming parents of screaming kids.
6 – Surround yourself with a screaming wife.
7 – Get yourself a dog – they don’t scream.
7 – Learn to count.
8 – Learn how to ramble on and on and on and on and on and on about nothing.
9 – Just start typing, you’ll find that inspiration just comes to you.
10 – Make a list and follow it.
11 – Do just the opposite of everyone else!

[SammyClaws]

Thankfully I did not take an ammo box when Jason and I found the seed cache, I do have a “be like Rogheff” recipe here for you. Stay awake for 48 hours straight and drink only european expresso the whole time….

hmmm ohhhh oooops thats the recipe on how to start a hallucination, the rogheff one is the same just stay awake for 36 hours.

[Greendale4X4]

@rogheff wrote:

Interesting that you should mention “Be Like Rogheff“. Equally interesting is the comment about an explosion of new caches.

Maybe others have had a different experience than I, but the 50 or so ammo cans that have been taken out of that cache have netted only about 10 new caches. Is that common for seed caches or do people just like to collect ammo cans?

I’m still working on your seed cache. The move to my new house has temporarily disabled my caching for a while. Stay tuned…

[Bart Flentje]

@Team Deejay wrote:

Optional seed caches are allowed; caches REQUIRING that you place a seed are not allowed. When considering a seed cache, please think about whether the area where you will place it will benefit from an explosion of new micro caches (or place a seed cache with bigger containers, such as GC100AX).

So, if I got this right, I can’t have a “required” seed cache even if I make the cache an ALR, mystery, puzzle, whatever your favorite term, is.

[Team Deejay]

@Jimmy The Butcher wrote:

@Team Deejay wrote:

Optional seed caches are allowed; caches REQUIRING that you place a seed are not allowed. When considering a seed cache, please think about whether the area where you will place it will benefit from an explosion of new micro caches (or place a seed cache with bigger containers, such as GC100AX).

So, if I got this right, I can’t have a “required” seed cache even if I make the cache an ALR, mystery, puzzle, whatever your favorite term, is.

That is correct. Groundspeak changed the policy around 3 months ago.

[gotta run]

@Team Deejay wrote:

That is correct. Groundspeak changed the policy around 3 months ago.

Do you know where this is referenced? I can’t find it in the latest 2/21/08 “guidelines” so I fear I’m missing seeing another link that’s out there.

On the Left Side of the Road...

[Team Deejay]

@gotta run wrote:

@Team Deejay wrote:

That is correct. Groundspeak changed the policy around 3 months ago.

Do you know where this is referenced? I can’t find it in the latest 2/21/08 “guidelines” so I fear I’m missing seeing another link that’s out there.

All they did with this update was add the Wherigo cache type. I’ll ask about the update (and complain about the missing “No Hide a Cache ALR” rule.)

Here is what drove this change: in another state (Michigan IIRC), someone placed a cache which required that “you place a new cache which requires the finder to place a new cache”. As you might guess, all of a sudden, there were many of these “hide a cache” requirements popped up in the system, from finders of the initial cache. The reviewer who published the original cache realized he had “created an exponentially growing monster” and cried for help. The powers that be decided the best answer was to not allow this sort of requirement.

[gotta run]

Thanks for the info.

We had heard about this “through the grapevine” but couldn’t find it anywhere, and we assumed it applied to trad caches which is what all the seed caches we have found have been published as. We thought it was ok to do as an “other” cache according to gc.com guidelines but it became an issue on a proposed cache placement of ours and in doing research we found this thread.

So we just wanted to see if there is a Big Book o’ Rules out there that we missed along the way for our future reference to stay w/in the rules. If there isn’t, I would think it should be added to the WGA “hiding a cache” page and ideally the gc.com cache-hiding page itself, which was just updated end of Feb.

On the Left Side of the Road...

[Team Deejay]

@gotta run wrote:

Thanks for the info.

We had heard about this “through the grapevine” but couldn’t find it anywhere, and we assumed it applied to trad caches which is what all the seed caches we have found have been published as. We thought it was ok to do as an “other” cache according to gc.com guidelines but it became an issue on a proposed cache placement of ours and in doing research we found this thread.

So we just wanted to see if there is a Big Book o’ Rules out there that we missed along the way for our future reference to stay w/in the rules. If there isn’t, I would think it should be added to the WGA “hiding a cache” page and ideally the gc.com cache-hiding page itself, which was just updated end of Feb.

The reality is that the guidelines are changed and revised continuously. I have lobbied to have these changes added to the guidelines regularly, without success.

Another change was the requirement that any caches with “special” logging requirements (ALRs) be listed as mystery caches. The issue here was raised by many people who found caches while traveling only to discover when they got home that they couldn’t log them because they didn’t take a photo, record an altitude or do a happy dance while logging. The thought was that when you find a traditional cache, you expect to be able to find it without reading the listing, but when finding a mystery cache, you will nearly always need to read the listing. Therefore, making caches with ALRs mystery caches gives the finder a fighting chance of knowing about the ALR before they try to log the cache. Consider it an “alarm system”.

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