Solved 4.5 star difficulty

[rcflyer2242]

I can accept a DNF if I had gone out and looked for it and DNF it. I just feel the owner should have taken care of it after the DNF log in November
stating that the trees were cut down, and also could have said something about the situation to me when I had informed him in Feb. that I had solved it and was going to make a run for it in a few weeks.

I don’t expect others to do as I would do but I would have at least responded to an email rather than responding by archiving the cache.

I would also like to make it clear that I never mentioned the CO name or the cache by name. It was the CO who decided to make himself be known so if he really feels the way he does I say “go ahead and achrive them all” and blame me I can take it.

[One Paddle Short]

My opinion is you should move on and go find another cache. Last I looked there was a whole lot of ’em out there…

[CodeJunkie]

Yep – Puzzles definately add a unique twist to the whole game. I have almost 50 puzzles on the “Solved / Unfound” pile. Some of these I’ll probably never get to (like the one in AZ), but who knows. I firmly expect some to get archived before I find them, but that comes with the territory.

I just try to enjoy the puzzle, learn a little something, and move on. I’ve also logged a couple of notes for puzzles that state I’ve solved it, but don’t know if I’ll ever get the opportunity to solve. Numbers / Smileys are nice, but they aren’t the end of the world.

It’s an unfortunate event, but remember there are very few rules and mostly everyone treats each other with respect. As in anything in life there are always a few situations that just don’t go as we planned, hoped, or thought they should.

[kansas64]

RC
Perhaps you should have asked why I choose to handle it the way I did instead of this continued behavior.

You assume I did not check it in November. I have had people tell me they are working on a cache but have never came to find it, so your comments about February lets just say I have heard this before.

But the real reason was that you wanted me to go check PRIOR to you making the trip because it was part of the Lonely Cache Game. Isn’t the idea of the Lonely Cache Game to find those that are not done in a long period of time? Otherwise I am sure we could ask somebody to email all COs that caches haven’t been done is say 6 months and demand they go check there cache.

I shut it down because it was missing and in my opinion the way you asked me to go check on it was not the intention by the Lonely Cache Game. You want the credit in LCG you have to do all the work, not ask somebody else to do it for you

Plus you ask me to change the puzzle and place a new container so you can get credit. What gives?

But if it bothers you so much one of my other puzzles will be shutting down soon due to the ability to find a clue has changed, you may want ot go quick find it, but then again that cache isnt part of LCG

[rcflyer2242]

Yes credit for the LCG would have been nice and I had asked the owner “IF” the cache could be checked on because of the previous log. I had also asked if I sent the cords if I could claim the find. It was a hard puzzle to find the key for so the 4.5 star would have been kind of a badge of honor. I would have been willing to even claim the find but not the LCG points. I just did not want to drive 70 miles for a cache that was not there and that the owner knew was not there.
His no responce to my email is what got this thread going not the fact that it was archived after I had asked about it.

I guess If the owner wants to blame me and accuse me of something well so be it. Blame me for this
Cache name: Beale
GC18KMR
Final Cords: 43 05.815 – 088 03.006
So there is my proof that I was not just blowing hot air.

[Team Deejay]

Aw crud. I had that one solved too.

And Dean, in my opinion, the other cache is solvable without the “hint” of S|S’s avatar. You might want to add a little more verbiage or up the difficulty, but definitely solvable. It just takes a little more knowledge of art and music.

[SammyClaws]

No kidding, Beale is the cache? One of my first solves. I use variations of that technique every year at Easter as a way to hide the Easter cache/baskets for the kids. Sorry to see that one go.

[seldom|seen]

My head hurts. Maybe it’s the residual vitriol from other things going on in the country spilling over, but it’s just be very hard to find the enjoyment in puzzle caching of late. I’ve decided to give it a brake, but it seems like the rest of us could use some introspection as well.

The first thing I’ve noticed, because I am ENTIRELY at fault myself, is pushing dialogue better left to PM’s or e-mail into the public forum. It doesn’t always work, but I’ve been trying to stay clear of posts that get me agitated until enough time has passed or enough others have commented so I can cool down and take in the wisdom of the community before I respond with inflammatory remarks, and I’ve had my share. I just flammed someone yesterday without thinking and had to apologize for being over-reactive, when a simple cordial PM would have cleared the matter up in seconds, and done so in private.

The second thing I pick up on, is this generalization of puzzles. There is such a diversity of puzzle complexity and content and intent, and yet we often assume they all fit into a single category. If we work on any of them for any period of time, it seems we deserve the right to claim a find when we have the solve, even if the cache is no longer there. As one of the most prolific puzzle owners, I’ll always ere on the side of the solve. If you make the solve, the find to me is nearly always inconsequential. In fact, if the category were still around, most of mine would probably be virtual caches. Now wouldn’t that irritate the heck out of puzzle tours! Imagine 150 virtuals in the valley that you’d HAVE to solve to get the find.

I just got an e-mail yesterday about a puzzle where the cacher has “over a hundred hours” into it and is not closer to a solve. Yikes!!!! I’ve said it before, if you go over 2 hours, for cripes sake, give me shout and I’ll give you something. But then, it’s a puzzle that only one person has solved. And despite how much it pangs me to do it, I am trying to not give too much away to this cacher, who I very much respect and feel terrible about the time they’ve invested. From the outside looking in, the whole thing is outrageous. Seriously, who wants to spend more than an hour trying to solve any puzzle, NOT ME! But from the inside, with only one true solver I don’t just want to give it away either. So, I posted some more clues and am keeping my fingers crossed that it will be enough!

I feel terrible when cachers go beyond what I think is an exceptable amount of time on a puzzle and wish there were some way to better rate the nature of puzzle to spare some people the waste of time. For the most part I create puzzle that can be solved just by going through the subject matter and most of them shouldn’t take anyone more than an hour. There are a select few that fall into the “many hours” category and all I can say to those who try, don’t be afraid to ask for clues when you reach the point of frustration. For some that’s 15 minutes (like me) for others that’s a dozen hours. In all cases, I’ll help when you ask.

As I make my slow departure, I will do what I have always done, be courteous and responsive to anyone who invests the time to get out of my puzzles what I put in. Respect for the CO should result in respect for the CH(hunter), bottom line and vice versa.

[3 Hawks]

In my humble opinion….tough luck. It is part of the game.

It took me over two years and three trips to southern Indiana to find the cache for a puzzle I had solved. The thing was muggled once and was claimed by a massive flood on another occasion. It was then muggled the day after I found the thing. Did I expect the cache owner to verify the cache was in place before attempting the find? No. Then again, I do not think this game was created for my sole enjoyment. Would I have been disappointed if I never made the find? A little, but I would have found the strength to move on with my life. There are only 995,000+ other caches out there. Contrary to what some may believe, that should be enough to keep all of us busy even if no new caches were ever placed.

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